1 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:03,139 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,999 --> 00:00:03,929 triangle 3 00:00:06,110 --> 00:00:05,009 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:06,120 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:12,589 --> 00:00:09,929 Rendlesham forest incident didn't it was 6 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:12,599 completely silent it comes right over 7 00:00:16,820 --> 00:00:13,440 our heads 8 00:00:18,590 --> 00:00:16,830 it's sort of like flying salsa really 9 00:00:20,179 --> 00:00:18,600 standing in the clearing he turned over 10 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:20,189 to my father and held his hand and he 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:21,570 looked in his eyes and said we're not 12 00:00:30,890 --> 00:00:28,170 alone welcome to podcast UFO for our 13 00:00:32,900 --> 00:00:30,900 live show during the show feel free to 14 00:00:35,389 --> 00:00:32,910 participate live in our chat room and 15 00:00:38,869 --> 00:00:35,399 don't forget to like us on our very 16 00:00:40,639 --> 00:00:38,879 active Facebook page hello and welcome 17 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:40,649 to the show well we had a little bit of 18 00:00:45,260 --> 00:00:42,360 technical difficulties but we got 19 00:00:47,740 --> 00:00:45,270 through it and the show is on so 20 00:00:51,619 --> 00:00:47,750 tonight's guests we have two of them is 21 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:51,629 John simple and Jack Roth they have a 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:55,410 film out about abduction and you know if 23 00:00:59,180 --> 00:00:57,090 you're a longtime listener you know that 24 00:01:02,810 --> 00:00:59,190 I've been kind of on the fence about 25 00:01:06,590 --> 00:01:02,820 that whole situation it's a pretty 26 00:01:09,620 --> 00:01:06,600 compelling film I did watch it's called 27 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:09,630 extraordinary of the seating and it's 28 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:11,970 it's coming out on September 3rd coming 29 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:14,100 right up and we're gonna be talking 30 00:01:20,179 --> 00:01:18,150 about that and also a whole bunch of 31 00:01:22,399 --> 00:01:20,189 other things will I'm sure we're going 32 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:22,409 to sure we're going to touch on before 33 00:01:25,609 --> 00:01:23,430 them 34 00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:25,619 I do have Alejandro Rojas coming up with 35 00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:29,280 UFO updates and so there's a lot going 36 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:30,840 on the news we'll be talking about that 37 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:32,490 I want to thank everyone that helps out 38 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:34,890 with the show and anyone can do that all 39 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:36,780 you have to do is go over to podcast UFO 40 00:01:42,859 --> 00:01:40,770 comm and check out how to help us out 41 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:42,869 over there also I forgot to mention last 42 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:45,329 week we have a blog up on dr. James 43 00:01:49,999 --> 00:01:47,820 McDonald and the UFO problem that's the 44 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:50,009 name of it by charles lear a very 45 00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:51,960 well-written article check that out 46 00:01:56,990 --> 00:01:54,180 that's all it's all over at podcast UFO 47 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:57,000 com we also have a Facebook site Twitter 48 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:58,530 and all that stuff that we're supposed 49 00:02:03,459 --> 00:02:01,380 to have but anyway that's enough talking 50 00:02:06,289 --> 00:02:03,469 for me Alejandro welcome to the show 51 00:02:09,949 --> 00:02:06,299 hello thank you I'm so happy to be here 52 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:09,959 yes as always Alejandro as always we 53 00:02:14,150 --> 00:02:11,970 have a lot of fun so we're coming right 54 00:02:16,460 --> 00:02:14,160 up in just a couple of weeks 55 00:02:18,770 --> 00:02:16,470 I will see you out at Phoenix I'm really 56 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:18,780 excited yes yeah yes and unfortunately 57 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:20,700 not both of your guests will be there 58 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:22,890 but Jack will be there but John will be 59 00:02:28,100 --> 00:02:25,050 there in spirit because they both have a 60 00:02:29,510 --> 00:02:28,110 film in the film festival the one you 61 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:29,520 just mentioned you'll be talking about 62 00:02:36,620 --> 00:02:33,920 here and so good luck to those guys and 63 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:36,630 it's a you know you saw it it's a very 64 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:39,210 very well done film with a lot of in 65 00:02:42,500 --> 00:02:40,860 fact some of our other speakers are in 66 00:02:43,670 --> 00:02:42,510 there including Richard Dolan chase 67 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:43,680 Claude ski 68 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:45,750 I think Melinda Leslie's in it who's 69 00:02:50,450 --> 00:02:47,910 going to be at the conference as a 70 00:02:52,490 --> 00:02:50,460 vendor so yeah it's kind of a cool thing 71 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:52,500 because it's a lot of the people that 72 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:54,210 you know and we'll see there at the 73 00:02:57,590 --> 00:02:54,780 conference 74 00:02:59,630 --> 00:02:57,600 so there's stiff competition when it 75 00:03:02,150 --> 00:02:59,640 comes to the film's Jeremy Korbel has 76 00:03:03,950 --> 00:03:02,160 his two films in there many of you are 77 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:03,960 probably familiar with Tim Crawford from 78 00:03:09,020 --> 00:03:06,840 UFO TV he's got a couple films and now 79 00:03:10,850 --> 00:03:09,030 he sponsored films before but these are 80 00:03:13,220 --> 00:03:10,860 the first he's like really directed and 81 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:13,230 produced himself but they're very well 82 00:03:18,410 --> 00:03:15,210 done so there's gonna be some really 83 00:03:21,290 --> 00:03:18,420 tough competition therefore for j-3 but 84 00:03:23,300 --> 00:03:21,300 they've been winning film festivals all 85 00:03:25,940 --> 00:03:23,310 over the country so right now they're 86 00:03:28,340 --> 00:03:25,950 used to winning so well be there for 87 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:28,350 them their winning streak continues yeah 88 00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:31,140 yeah so what is happening in general 89 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:34,140 what's going on in general well not I 90 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:35,760 wasn't going to talk about it general 91 00:03:40,550 --> 00:03:37,410 actually I was going to talk about an 92 00:03:42,430 --> 00:03:40,560 Admiral although this is something I 93 00:03:44,780 --> 00:03:42,440 wrote for the Roswell Dalek Daily Record 94 00:03:46,910 --> 00:03:44,790 recently however I have more pictures if 95 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:46,920 you go to my blog alejandro de Rojas 96 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:49,500 comm and see it there and links and 97 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:53,490 stuff but essentially Brian bender was 98 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:55,770 at the Aspen Security Forum a couple 99 00:04:02,180 --> 00:03:57,840 weeks ago while many of us were at 100 00:04:04,390 --> 00:04:02,190 MoveOn actually and this is a really 101 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:04,400 important forum at the Aspen Institute 102 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:07,050 with you know all of the top-level 103 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:09,530 officials when it comes to defense 104 00:04:17,270 --> 00:04:12,830 defense contractors defense writers and 105 00:04:19,010 --> 00:04:17,280 many people in the military and in one 106 00:04:20,630 --> 00:04:19,020 of those forums bender was actually 107 00:04:22,430 --> 00:04:20,640 going to be there to moderate of course 108 00:04:25,370 --> 00:04:22,440 he's a guy who is also in an 109 00:04:27,260 --> 00:04:25,380 unidentified and he's broken some UFO 110 00:04:29,210 --> 00:04:27,270 stories recently including 111 00:04:31,010 --> 00:04:29,220 the fact that the Navy was rewriting 112 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:31,020 their UFO guidelines reporting 113 00:04:36,559 --> 00:04:33,210 guidelines well in one of the forums 114 00:04:37,730 --> 00:04:36,569 unrelated about China and defense issues 115 00:04:40,219 --> 00:04:37,740 related to China 116 00:04:43,339 --> 00:04:40,229 Admiral Davidson who's in charge of the 117 00:04:46,850 --> 00:04:43,349 India Pacific Command so a big portion 118 00:04:49,249 --> 00:04:46,860 of the Navy was asked by one of the 119 00:04:51,650 --> 00:04:49,259 guests about UFOs the guy was 120 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:51,660 embarrassed when he got up an ass and he 121 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:54,000 kind of stumbled through the question he 122 00:04:57,050 --> 00:04:55,169 didn't really he wouldn't hit the whole 123 00:04:59,450 --> 00:04:57,060 question out you know he was just asking 124 00:05:02,570 --> 00:04:59,460 about UFOs the crowd unfortunately 125 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:02,580 laughed but Admiral Davidson didn't and 126 00:05:08,719 --> 00:05:05,340 he said yes you know we've got new 127 00:05:10,909 --> 00:05:08,729 reporting guidelines for UFOs and he 128 00:05:12,860 --> 00:05:10,919 also added this I wanted he said I want 129 00:05:15,469 --> 00:05:12,870 to note that you know this only happened 130 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:15,479 during a finite period D sightings that 131 00:05:20,420 --> 00:05:17,490 had been reported and that was about all 132 00:05:22,249 --> 00:05:20,430 he said so what I was curious about and 133 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:22,259 what I analyzed was that comment what 134 00:05:28,010 --> 00:05:25,370 did he mean by a finite period of time 135 00:05:29,930 --> 00:05:28,020 Brian bender I asked him and he said he 136 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:29,940 thinks that what this guy meant is that 137 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:31,550 they're not happening constantly 138 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:33,419 everywhere all the time that they're 139 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:35,550 just happening in these short periods of 140 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:37,770 time no doubt that's probably accurate 141 00:05:42,770 --> 00:05:39,840 of course we've heard from unidentified 142 00:05:45,230 --> 00:05:42,780 over a couple cases 2004 outside of San 143 00:05:49,700 --> 00:05:45,240 Diego and then 2014 and 15 outside of 144 00:05:51,379 --> 00:05:49,710 Florida but so he's saying you know even 145 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:51,389 if there are other cases there they're 146 00:05:55,459 --> 00:05:53,849 kind of one-off type situations and not 147 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:55,469 like they're just contending then with 148 00:05:59,240 --> 00:05:57,419 these things all of the time and from 149 00:06:01,010 --> 00:05:59,250 the witnesses we've heard from you've 150 00:06:02,930 --> 00:06:01,020 had several on or you've had at least 151 00:06:04,580 --> 00:06:02,940 Kevin day on so if I you know this 152 00:06:06,499 --> 00:06:04,590 wasn't something that happened regular 153 00:06:08,870 --> 00:06:06,509 so that's why it was so important when 154 00:06:11,779 --> 00:06:08,880 it did happen to them and they did get 155 00:06:13,999 --> 00:06:11,789 you know confront these unknown objects 156 00:06:15,860 --> 00:06:14,009 but Tyler rogue away has been writing 157 00:06:17,689 --> 00:06:15,870 about this and I asked him about it also 158 00:06:20,890 --> 00:06:17,699 he's a defense writer you've had him on 159 00:06:23,209 --> 00:06:20,900 the show for the drive and he says that 160 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:23,219 he agrees that it's accurate they're 161 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:25,199 finite periods of time and he's been 162 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:27,090 honing in that in both of these 163 00:06:33,140 --> 00:06:31,500 incidents in 2014 2014 2004 that there 164 00:06:35,450 --> 00:06:33,150 was new radar technology that was 165 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:35,460 deployed in both of those instances when 166 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:37,440 they started seeing things and that 167 00:06:41,090 --> 00:06:39,630 could be a factor that leads to the 168 00:06:43,550 --> 00:06:41,100 possibility of 169 00:06:46,550 --> 00:06:43,560 human origins for these things the 170 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:46,560 problem with that as he has admits is 171 00:06:53,930 --> 00:06:50,730 the technology and the characteristics 172 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:53,940 that were displayed by these objects is 173 00:06:59,750 --> 00:06:56,610 beyond what we have right now it's 174 00:07:01,990 --> 00:06:59,760 definitely a technology that it defeats 175 00:07:04,730 --> 00:07:02,000 the physics as we know it currently and 176 00:07:07,610 --> 00:07:04,740 and he admits that that makes that 177 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:07,620 harder to understand what these are but 178 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:10,080 you know in his defense to people who 179 00:07:13,190 --> 00:07:11,370 would probably criticize him to say oh 180 00:07:15,410 --> 00:07:13,200 you know if they it's beyond what we can 181 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:15,420 do how can it be human we don't know yet 182 00:07:19,070 --> 00:07:17,550 and this is how you investigate and it's 183 00:07:22,940 --> 00:07:19,080 great I love what Tyler is doing 184 00:07:25,130 --> 00:07:22,950 personally and what the Navy said I'm 185 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:25,140 honing in on this being a finite you 186 00:07:29,750 --> 00:07:27,480 know period of time may give us some 187 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:29,760 insight into the Navy's thinking at 188 00:07:34,430 --> 00:07:31,620 least the Admiral may have been briefed 189 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:34,440 on investigations where that is a factor 190 00:07:38,930 --> 00:07:36,300 they're looking at similar factors that 191 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:38,940 Tyler Roga way is looking at to try to 192 00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:41,850 determine if there is indeed you know a 193 00:07:46,430 --> 00:07:43,800 foreign government that has had some 194 00:07:48,650 --> 00:07:46,440 sort of technological breakthrough and 195 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:48,660 of course if that's true that would be a 196 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:51,480 big deal that was something that you 197 00:07:57,890 --> 00:07:54,960 know somebody one of the lawmakers 198 00:07:59,900 --> 00:07:57,900 recently what Mike Walker you know he 199 00:08:01,490 --> 00:07:59,910 wrote a letter to the Navy wanting to 200 00:08:04,100 --> 00:08:01,500 know more and he highlighted that same 201 00:08:07,370 --> 00:08:04,110 issue so a lot still going on in 202 00:08:10,250 --> 00:08:07,380 Washington and with the you know 203 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:10,260 military around UFOs publicly so it's 204 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:13,260 still a hot topic out there another hot 205 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:15,630 topic wait we in just a second huh if we 206 00:08:22,010 --> 00:08:18,350 could before we move on from that I just 207 00:08:24,290 --> 00:08:22,020 you know I'm wondering you know we have 208 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:24,300 you not have talked about this before we 209 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:26,310 have seen these characteristics or 210 00:08:31,010 --> 00:08:28,590 people have noted these characteristics 211 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:31,020 of these vehicles you know long long ago 212 00:08:36,860 --> 00:08:33,330 you know way way back 213 00:08:39,230 --> 00:08:36,870 Yente I'm thinking it's more to do with 214 00:08:41,839 --> 00:08:39,240 with what you mentioned earlier our new 215 00:08:43,790 --> 00:08:41,849 technology perhaps they're always there 216 00:08:47,090 --> 00:08:43,800 perhaps they've always been there off 217 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:47,100 and on you know finite like the Admiral 218 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:50,610 set but perhaps we can only just begin 219 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:54,810 to see them you know and anyway I think 220 00:08:59,450 --> 00:08:57,450 doing art technology I think that is 221 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,460 another great possibility in fact I 222 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:01,920 talked to a guy I knew an older 223 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:05,850 gentleman he in Colorado and right now 224 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:08,880 his name eludes me Franklin Carter great 225 00:09:13,490 --> 00:09:11,490 guy he actually took over a UFO 226 00:09:15,530 --> 00:09:13,500 conference in Cheyenne Wyoming but he 227 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:15,540 was in the Navy way back during the dew 228 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:17,760 line during the Cold War where they were 229 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:19,770 part of the ships that would watch for 230 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:21,420 anything coming they would you know go 231 00:09:27,170 --> 00:09:25,170 right up to the to the water they're up 232 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:27,180 against to where they can closest to 233 00:09:31,730 --> 00:09:28,800 Russia as possible to monitor what 234 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:31,740 Russia is up to when they instituted a 235 00:09:36,740 --> 00:09:33,990 new radar system that he was in charge 236 00:09:38,570 --> 00:09:36,750 of he was the radar tech this happened 237 00:09:42,340 --> 00:09:38,580 they started seeing things way up in the 238 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:42,350 sky they were reporting them and 239 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:44,760 eventually you know every time they saw 240 00:09:47,570 --> 00:09:45,990 something like this that would go 241 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:47,580 thousands of miles per hour or something 242 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:49,860 they would call it Franklin and say hey 243 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:51,330 Carter you know we got another problem 244 00:09:55,340 --> 00:09:53,610 with radar come check this out and he 245 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:55,350 would verify that there wasn't you know 246 00:09:58,610 --> 00:09:57,450 a problem with the radar in fact when 247 00:10:00,230 --> 00:09:58,620 they would get these they started 248 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:00,240 calling him Carter's contacts it'd be 249 00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:02,370 like Carter we got another one and he 250 00:10:05,300 --> 00:10:03,420 would come check it out 251 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:05,310 Wow well they had technicians and 252 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:07,350 everything come finally he asked some of 253 00:10:10,490 --> 00:10:08,760 the other radar techs and some of the 254 00:10:12,079 --> 00:10:10,500 other ships hey you guys have this new 255 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:12,089 radar aren't you guys seeing this stuff 256 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:14,130 too and they said yeah but we're not 257 00:10:17,780 --> 00:10:15,750 gonna report it it's too much of a 258 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:17,790 headache people make fun of you you know 259 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:19,170 there's all this paperwork and 260 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:21,330 bureaucracy and so they wouldn't report 261 00:10:24,829 --> 00:10:22,860 it at all which is something that you 262 00:10:27,890 --> 00:10:24,839 know we hear quite often from people in 263 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:27,900 the military so there's two reasons 264 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:29,850 that's important one it speaks to your 265 00:10:33,950 --> 00:10:32,370 theory or your idea that perhaps we're 266 00:10:36,050 --> 00:10:33,960 just seeing more and that they're 267 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:36,060 staying out of our radar and once we 268 00:10:40,310 --> 00:10:38,700 increase our radar capabilities and we 269 00:10:41,780 --> 00:10:40,320 can spot them and then maybe they move 270 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:41,790 away further or something like that 271 00:10:46,490 --> 00:10:44,130 that's I think a a valid point 272 00:10:48,650 --> 00:10:46,500 the second thing though is why it's so 273 00:10:50,449 --> 00:10:48,660 important that the Navy said there they 274 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:50,459 have UFO reporting guidelines and take 275 00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:53,010 it seriously those you know people in 276 00:10:56,780 --> 00:10:55,440 there laughed Tyler broke away even said 277 00:10:58,430 --> 00:10:56,790 that was discussing that some of his 278 00:11:00,170 --> 00:10:58,440 colleagues would laugh at this question 279 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:00,180 but that's kind of the reaction that 280 00:11:03,650 --> 00:11:01,650 people have and I think that's the 281 00:11:07,970 --> 00:11:03,660 importance of the Navy saying this is 282 00:11:10,610 --> 00:11:07,980 important and we want to hear from you 283 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:10,620 I UFO reports to say that they're taking 284 00:11:15,020 --> 00:11:12,090 it seriously it's not a laughing matter 285 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:15,030 it is something serious I think that's 286 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:18,480 the main function of the rollout of 287 00:11:22,460 --> 00:11:20,730 these reports because no doubt they've 288 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:22,470 well we already know they already have 289 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:24,750 reporting systems and processes for 290 00:11:28,850 --> 00:11:27,450 important things like this so I don't 291 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:28,860 know that they're that's becoming more 292 00:11:33,740 --> 00:11:31,050 robust but it's more of a message that 293 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:33,750 hey we are taking this more seriously do 294 00:11:38,690 --> 00:11:35,490 send those reports along but I think you 295 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:38,700 have a good got there I was talking 296 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:40,440 about hot and I was talking about hot in 297 00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:42,570 the desert not just here in Phoenix but 298 00:11:47,780 --> 00:11:46,320 in the deserts near area 51 where people 299 00:11:50,450 --> 00:11:47,790 millions of people are threatening to 300 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:50,460 gather in a few weeks here on September 301 00:11:55,700 --> 00:11:53,850 20th was just yesterday Lincoln County 302 00:11:59,330 --> 00:11:55,710 said that they are going ahead with 303 00:12:03,590 --> 00:11:59,340 plans to declare an emergency due to 304 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:03,600 this and storm area51 thing now they 305 00:12:08,510 --> 00:12:06,690 also interestingly enough I guess 306 00:12:10,490 --> 00:12:08,520 released some permits to some of the 307 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:10,500 events because people are taking 308 00:12:16,190 --> 00:12:12,570 advantage and they're holding concerts 309 00:12:17,630 --> 00:12:16,200 and camp outs and parties out there so 310 00:12:19,940 --> 00:12:17,640 there's a lot of that sort of thing 311 00:12:22,190 --> 00:12:19,950 going on and that's what these guys are 312 00:12:24,830 --> 00:12:22,200 preparing for a lot of times when 313 00:12:27,740 --> 00:12:24,840 emergency declarations are made it frees 314 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:27,750 up emergency funds and they probably 315 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:29,550 need these funds hopefully to keep 316 00:12:33,650 --> 00:12:31,710 people safe this is a desert there's no 317 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:33,660 gas anywhere around there there's no 318 00:12:38,180 --> 00:12:36,300 water there's only a couple small little 319 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:38,190 places that don't have a lot of 320 00:12:43,030 --> 00:12:41,100 facilities so I'm imagining that they're 321 00:12:46,330 --> 00:12:43,040 going to try to make sure and provide 322 00:12:49,250 --> 00:12:46,340 facilities also have security and 323 00:12:51,410 --> 00:12:49,260 emergency personnel a lot of first 324 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:51,420 responders ready for whatever may happen 325 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:53,250 now hopefully it's just an innocent 326 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:56,210 party maybe even some talks about UFOs 327 00:13:00,680 --> 00:12:58,650 I'm actually in talks with someone who 328 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:00,690 asked me hey do I want to come out there 329 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:02,970 and you know talk about UFOs during this 330 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:04,830 whole thing and I may but of course I 331 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:07,050 don't want anybody to pass the gates and 332 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:08,880 that's kind of the theme of all these 333 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:11,190 parties don't pass the gate but let's 334 00:13:16,010 --> 00:13:13,410 party some of them are thinking and make 335 00:13:17,390 --> 00:13:16,020 money whereas others are activists and 336 00:13:19,220 --> 00:13:17,400 are thinking well let's highlight let's 337 00:13:20,810 --> 00:13:19,230 say hey we think this is important women 338 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:20,820 want to know more about this topic and 339 00:13:23,699 --> 00:13:21,550 make 340 00:13:26,519 --> 00:13:23,709 that kind of the the whole thing as 341 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:26,529 opposed to trying to do anything illegal 342 00:13:30,509 --> 00:13:28,810 I I would imagine I know we're out of 343 00:13:32,130 --> 00:13:30,519 time here for the news but I would 344 00:13:33,990 --> 00:13:32,140 imagine that they're going to be very 345 00:13:36,509 --> 00:13:34,000 prepared for something to happen 346 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:36,519 yeah not saying I'm not staying Rachel 347 00:13:40,889 --> 00:13:39,100 but I'm gonna say area 51 I believe that 348 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:40,899 they'll probably be ready for something 349 00:13:44,940 --> 00:13:43,060 yeah this is Lincoln County in 350 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:44,950 particular that asked for the emergency 351 00:13:49,319 --> 00:13:46,810 declaration so I think yeah it's gonna 352 00:13:52,259 --> 00:13:49,329 be more at a county level and no doubt 353 00:13:53,460 --> 00:13:52,269 there is some sort of base involvement 354 00:13:55,949 --> 00:13:53,470 as well right 355 00:14:00,030 --> 00:13:55,959 alejandro thank you so much thank you 356 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:00,040 have a great show all right I sure will 357 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:03,100 you bet talk to you next week yeah all 358 00:14:08,610 --> 00:14:04,959 right everyone the guests we have 359 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:08,620 tonight they are part of J three films 360 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:12,490 that was formed back in 2001 and they 361 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:14,980 have extensive ties to the ufology in 362 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:17,920 paranormal fields of they were going to 363 00:14:23,900 --> 00:14:19,420 talk to them about their previous film 364 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:23,910 of the Stan Romanek story as well and 365 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:26,890 anyway their new film the seeding is 366 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:31,810 getting a lot of exposure and as a Hondo 367 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:36,010 mentioned is winning a number of awards 368 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:37,990 so we're gonna be talking about the 369 00:14:44,900 --> 00:14:40,360 whole thing alright so welcome to the 370 00:14:48,810 --> 00:14:44,910 show Jack and John thanks for having us 371 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:48,820 yes this is uh this is great that you 372 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:51,160 two could both be on I do appreciate 373 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:53,980 that and I know you must be very very 374 00:14:59,430 --> 00:14:56,170 busy right now because just coming right 375 00:15:02,519 --> 00:14:59,440 up your what is it it's at two weeks 376 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:02,529 your show premieres right two weeks from 377 00:15:08,130 --> 00:15:05,699 today and where where does it premiere 378 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:08,140 it's going to be available on every 379 00:15:16,199 --> 00:15:11,290 digital download pay-per-view platform 380 00:15:21,889 --> 00:15:16,209 so the itunes google play amazon video 381 00:15:25,470 --> 00:15:21,899 and xbox forums or xbox platforms and 382 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:25,480 playstation voodoo vimeo so wow if 383 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:27,370 you're if you're watching video or 384 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:29,410 listening to music on a platform chances 385 00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:30,490 are pretty good it'll be on there 386 00:15:34,930 --> 00:15:32,320 alright and that was the voice of john 387 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:34,940 sample and a jack you 388 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:37,790 two got together and did did one of you 389 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:41,210 have more of an interest in UFOs and and 390 00:15:49,780 --> 00:15:44,510 that topic than the other how did this 391 00:15:51,580 --> 00:15:49,790 all happen well initially yes I was I 392 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:51,590 had already kind of been down the rabbit 393 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:55,190 hole and this is going back oh boy we 394 00:16:00,940 --> 00:15:57,530 can go way back but let's start maybe 395 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:00,950 ten years ago we were we were talking 396 00:16:05,740 --> 00:16:02,930 about doing a documentary and I was 397 00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:05,750 already fairly familiar with the UF 398 00:16:09,790 --> 00:16:08,240 ology landscape and I said and I had a 399 00:16:11,740 --> 00:16:09,800 couple ideas we need to do something 400 00:16:15,490 --> 00:16:11,750 really compelling really really cool we 401 00:16:17,500 --> 00:16:15,500 need to find a cool story and john was 402 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:17,510 coming at it so we're filmmakers but I 403 00:16:22,780 --> 00:16:19,850 again I would I had that interest in the 404 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:22,790 topic and it worked out well because 405 00:16:27,870 --> 00:16:25,910 when we when we decided on the story we 406 00:16:30,220 --> 00:16:27,880 were going to tell which was our first 407 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:30,230 documentary the one we did extraordinary 408 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:34,190 the Stan Romanick story we knew we found 409 00:16:38,590 --> 00:16:36,160 the great story but it's great because 410 00:16:41,260 --> 00:16:38,600 John came at it more from okay I'm gonna 411 00:16:43,570 --> 00:16:41,270 I'm gonna step back and be a you know 412 00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,580 learn as I go along with all of this 413 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:45,680 stuff that we're finding out and we're 414 00:16:53,020 --> 00:16:48,710 discovering and keep that filmmaker kind 415 00:16:54,490 --> 00:16:53,030 of distance and objectivity and I was 416 00:16:56,380 --> 00:16:54,500 able to do that too but I was also able 417 00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,390 to offer a lot of information as far as 418 00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,880 look this is what's going on and as far 419 00:17:02,170 --> 00:17:00,560 as UF ology is concerned this is what's 420 00:17:04,809 --> 00:17:02,180 been happening for the last seventy 421 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:04,819 years so it was really kind of good 422 00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:06,980 combo for us because we're able to mix 423 00:17:15,819 --> 00:17:11,199 we're able to maintain that filmmaking 424 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:15,829 kind of stance and be objective in a way 425 00:17:21,370 --> 00:17:18,410 we're telling the stories but there's 426 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:21,380 also there's an understanding of the 427 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:23,990 topic that were that we're delving into 428 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:27,890 uh-huh now Stan was the fourth guest on 429 00:17:32,500 --> 00:17:31,010 my show here boy we're going back just 430 00:17:36,220 --> 00:17:32,510 about eight years close to eight years 431 00:17:37,900 --> 00:17:36,230 ago and you know there's a lot of 432 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:37,910 controversy and all different types of 433 00:17:43,419 --> 00:17:40,160 ways with Stan of course you know what 434 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:43,429 he was found guilty of and the timing 435 00:17:48,530 --> 00:17:46,250 worked just about the same time that I 436 00:17:51,260 --> 00:17:48,540 saw your film go up on network the net 437 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:51,270 Lex is that was the timing about the 438 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:54,930 same time yeah the it was it was a very 439 00:18:00,440 --> 00:17:57,530 interesting journey to say the least 440 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:00,450 we've we premiered the film at the Fort 441 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Lauderdale International Film Festival 442 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:07,170 in November of 2013 in January of 2014 443 00:18:13,540 --> 00:18:10,470 is when Stan had his legal issues as 444 00:18:17,330 --> 00:18:13,550 well as just I think January was the 445 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:17,340 interview with Peter Slattery that had a 446 00:18:22,550 --> 00:18:20,070 flipping pen cat and then a month later 447 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:22,560 was the announcement that he had been 448 00:18:25,460 --> 00:18:23,640 arrested 449 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:25,470 so those things couldn't have come at a 450 00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:27,450 worse time for us because we were 451 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:29,220 planned we were in the process of 452 00:18:34,130 --> 00:18:31,890 talking with distribution opportunities 453 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:34,140 for the film and once all that happened 454 00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:36,930 it was those conversations ended the 455 00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:38,280 only way that they would be interested 456 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:41,160 is if we recut the film and focused on 457 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:44,310 his current situation and we're like 458 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:47,010 well no that's this film is about a time 459 00:18:52,370 --> 00:18:50,310 in his life from 2000 to 2010 that's 460 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:52,380 what we focus on that's the timeline in 461 00:18:56,180 --> 00:18:54,570 the film so we can Anna said we're gonna 462 00:18:57,860 --> 00:18:56,190 stick to our guns we're gonna release it 463 00:19:00,590 --> 00:18:57,870 as it is but we did the independent 464 00:19:04,130 --> 00:19:00,600 route and we created a website all POV 465 00:19:07,070 --> 00:19:04,140 TV and distribute itself distributed the 466 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,080 film there fast forward three years 2017 467 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:09,360 January of 2017 we get a phone call from 468 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:11,640 the orchard out of the blue saying we're 469 00:19:17,180 --> 00:19:14,880 interested in repping your film so it 470 00:19:21,770 --> 00:19:17,190 was released initially same way on 471 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:21,780 digital platforms and then they sent a 472 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:24,210 screener copy to Netflix executives and 473 00:19:27,020 --> 00:19:25,410 they didn't even have to pitch it they 474 00:19:28,670 --> 00:19:27,030 looked at and they were like yeah we 475 00:19:30,020 --> 00:19:28,680 love the evidence in the beginning you 476 00:19:34,430 --> 00:19:30,030 know done deal we'll have it on Netflix 477 00:19:37,940 --> 00:19:34,440 in a few months so that timing was I 478 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:37,950 think sometimes I say it was a 479 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:39,450 coincidence and other times I'll say 480 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,450 well there's no coincidences but we had 481 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:44,400 no we weren't reaching out to anybody we 482 00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:46,170 made no effort to try to connect to a 483 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:48,750 distribution opportunity our only thing 484 00:19:52,130 --> 00:19:49,980 was that we knew that there were people 485 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:52,140 who invested and those people who had 486 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:54,450 invested in the film needed to make 487 00:19:59,180 --> 00:19:56,310 their money back right I was more of a 488 00:20:01,540 --> 00:19:59,190 loan than an investment not a investor 489 00:20:03,340 --> 00:20:01,550 situation but we had notes that 490 00:20:05,740 --> 00:20:03,350 that we owed people money for and once 491 00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:05,750 that opportunity presented itself we 492 00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:08,300 were like yeah sure we'll distribute the 493 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:10,460 film just the timing of it happened to 494 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:14,090 be when the Netflix drop was was right 495 00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:16,790 at the time of the I would say the 496 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:20,720 crescendo of his court dates so that was 497 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:23,450 drew a lot of attention to his case in 498 00:20:27,670 --> 00:20:26,360 the film and detrimental ysou to the 499 00:20:31,180 --> 00:20:27,680 film because a lot of people went into 500 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:31,190 attack mode based on the event on 501 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,320 YouTube and also the the legal issues 502 00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,360 which we completely understand and and 503 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:37,760 don't blame anybody for reacting the way 504 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:41,210 that they did well I am just yeah I do 505 00:20:47,610 --> 00:20:44,570 get all that and one thing I would have 506 00:20:52,050 --> 00:20:47,620 to say about standing you know he 507 00:20:55,390 --> 00:20:52,060 there's no reason for him to have 508 00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,400 embellished embellished of the way he 509 00:21:02,260 --> 00:20:58,400 did you talked about Slatterly when he 510 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:02,270 was on that show because everyone that 511 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:05,450 I've talked to that has known stand had 512 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:07,430 known him in the beginning said you know 513 00:21:13,180 --> 00:21:10,580 things do actually happen around him and 514 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:13,190 this these are people that you know I 515 00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:16,930 hesitate to say their names on air but 516 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:20,540 these are people that are serious in the 517 00:21:25,870 --> 00:21:23,090 UFO topic that have experienced weird 518 00:21:28,210 --> 00:21:25,880 things you know it is it is unfortunate 519 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,220 his legal situation is very unfortunate 520 00:21:33,790 --> 00:21:31,760 and and I think well I would have to say 521 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:33,800 you you were extremely lucky in my 522 00:21:39,550 --> 00:21:36,650 opinion to have that break and be able 523 00:21:43,030 --> 00:21:39,560 to hopefully recoup your money back on 524 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:43,040 that we are right at the break so we are 525 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:45,770 going to head into break so hang in 526 00:21:56,430 --> 00:21:47,270 there we'll be right back right after 527 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:07,110 race race 528 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:10,800 well I'm not sure what's going on 529 00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,690 maybe Reis stepped away maybe we're 530 00:22:21,180 --> 00:22:16,000 still alive on K GRA I guess we'll just 531 00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:21,190 continue to go and so we're just going 532 00:22:30,180 --> 00:22:25,960 to continue on here and sorry about that 533 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:30,190 little clunky we do have a break coming 534 00:22:37,220 --> 00:22:34,480 up at 55 minutes after this hour we'll 535 00:22:43,050 --> 00:22:37,230 get into that when that happens so 536 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:43,060 overall it what made you decide to move 537 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:47,410 on and create this other film I would 538 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:50,250 say the one thing that we learned from 539 00:22:55,050 --> 00:22:53,260 making the first one was that there are 540 00:22:57,540 --> 00:22:55,060 a lot of stories out there there are a 541 00:23:00,420 --> 00:22:57,550 lot of people who had experiences that 542 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:00,430 they felt like the seeing the film in 543 00:23:05,180 --> 00:23:02,650 the fact that it was getting the kind of 544 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:05,190 attention that it was helped them 545 00:23:11,070 --> 00:23:08,170 realize that they you know their 546 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,080 experiences were similar and that they 547 00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:13,360 weren't crazy and they were we received 548 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:16,840 was over 700 messages on our Facebook 549 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:19,450 page alone and dozens more through email 550 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:21,310 with people saying thank you so much for 551 00:23:25,530 --> 00:23:23,260 getting this film out there you know I 552 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:25,540 know I'm not crazy I've had similar 553 00:23:30,420 --> 00:23:27,810 things happen to me so that was really 554 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:30,430 an interesting point for us because 555 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:33,130 initially we weren't all in on making 556 00:23:38,610 --> 00:23:36,610 another ufology film and that that 557 00:23:40,350 --> 00:23:38,620 realizing that there was a humanity 558 00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:40,360 element to this where people were being 559 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:44,200 affected by their experiences and mostly 560 00:23:50,190 --> 00:23:47,440 shunned by general society for those 561 00:23:54,030 --> 00:23:50,200 experiences we felt that we had a chance 562 00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:54,040 to do more work tell more stories and 563 00:23:58,290 --> 00:23:56,620 add a more humanistic storytelling 564 00:24:00,860 --> 00:23:58,300 approach to it that brought these 565 00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:00,870 stories to the masses as opposed to 566 00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:18,780 demonstrated although one of them has 567 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:20,310 turned into 568 00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:22,470 a little bit of a rockstar over the last 569 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:26,340 year and Geraldine Orosco her story is 570 00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:29,190 out she's leading a lot of people 571 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:30,540 through discussions and trying to help 572 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:32,490 them with their experiences and we can 573 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:34,850 get into that a little bit more but the 574 00:24:39,170 --> 00:24:37,770 when we started making the film we 575 00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,180 realized throughout the course of 576 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:41,520 production that we had a different story 577 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:44,760 to tell and I had an like a an epiphany 578 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:46,760 during it that this was not about 579 00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,490 phenomena this was about the people so 580 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,080 we needed to move forward with a story 581 00:24:57,140 --> 00:24:54,240 that connected people to people as 582 00:25:00,080 --> 00:24:57,150 opposed to just focus on the events the 583 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:00,090 lights in the sky the evidence we wanted 584 00:25:06,740 --> 00:25:03,810 to tell a more human story uh-huh that's 585 00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:06,750 interesting now I as I mentioned in the 586 00:25:12,650 --> 00:25:09,630 beginning of this I you know have been 587 00:25:14,930 --> 00:25:12,660 kind of on the fence about you know 588 00:25:17,420 --> 00:25:14,940 abductions but then I've also kind of 589 00:25:20,900 --> 00:25:17,430 corrected my thoughts my personal 590 00:25:25,250 --> 00:25:20,910 thoughts about that in in such a way to 591 00:25:28,340 --> 00:25:25,260 look at it this way I do believe in 592 00:25:31,550 --> 00:25:28,350 certain cases and if I believed in those 593 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:31,560 certain cases like for instance the 594 00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,010 Betty and Barney Hill case Travis Walton 595 00:25:40,820 --> 00:25:37,440 who I've talked to a number of times 596 00:25:42,530 --> 00:25:40,830 face-to-face and then several there's 597 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:42,540 several the allegations in it there's 598 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:46,590 several of them that I are just too 599 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:49,650 compelling for me to say no that that 600 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:51,690 couldn't happen the Pascagoula case is 601 00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:56,250 another one so I do believe that if 602 00:26:01,400 --> 00:25:59,190 whoever it is and I'm not saying aliens 603 00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:01,410 I I never like to say aliens but 604 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:05,760 whatever it is is visiting us here from 605 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:08,970 wherever they're visiting us from you 606 00:26:13,580 --> 00:26:11,820 know they're gonna be not just landing 607 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:13,590 and going away you know they're going to 608 00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:16,770 be looking at the biology here and you 609 00:26:21,860 --> 00:26:18,660 know there's so many things that could 610 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:21,870 be related to this cattle mutilations as 611 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:23,850 interesting and you know there's just a 612 00:26:30,110 --> 00:26:27,650 lot of things that are possibilities of 613 00:26:33,970 --> 00:26:30,120 whoever these visitors are you know 614 00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,840 the where where I get a little I kind of 615 00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:39,440 get blurry itis when it gets into the 616 00:26:43,870 --> 00:26:41,780 reptilians and you know I know that was 617 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:43,880 part of your your film and the thoughts 618 00:26:48,850 --> 00:26:46,400 and then the the seeding the actual you 619 00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:48,860 know the main part of your show you know 620 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:52,640 the hybrid children but I want to talk I 621 00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:55,850 mean that's hard to swallow that and I 622 00:27:01,240 --> 00:26:57,350 think it's hard to swallow for anyone 623 00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:01,250 who's not involved in this and so I want 624 00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:03,110 to start out by saying how did you vet 625 00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:07,430 the people and you're in your movie well 626 00:27:13,330 --> 00:27:10,910 we spoke to dozens of people and we had 627 00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:13,340 long conversations with them and and you 628 00:27:20,050 --> 00:27:16,640 know they told us their stories and a 629 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:20,060 lot of them wanted to share their 630 00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:22,930 stories but there were some who were 631 00:27:27,550 --> 00:27:25,760 afraid to they were tentative about it 632 00:27:29,050 --> 00:27:27,560 because they were depending on what 633 00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:29,060 their situation was whether the 634 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:31,460 relationship situation would marry they 635 00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,530 have kids they're part of a involved in 636 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:35,360 the community could have been a 637 00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:38,450 professional reason whether it's because 638 00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:42,350 this is a social taboo they they told us 639 00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:44,270 their story but they didn't want to go 640 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:47,480 on film one of the things you mentioned 641 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:49,370 Oh Martin that's really important to 642 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:50,930 understand is that that's one of the 643 00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:53,870 reasons why when you it is very 644 00:28:01,740 --> 00:27:58,190 difficult to swallow the idea of hybrid 645 00:28:06,340 --> 00:28:01,750 children and this kind of hybridization 646 00:28:09,850 --> 00:28:06,350 programs being done by ETS as part of 647 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:09,860 the abduction process of the abduction 648 00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:12,820 phenomenon but what we've tried to do is 649 00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:16,580 lead people down a path and start at the 650 00:28:22,090 --> 00:28:19,670 very beginning and start with okay look 651 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:22,100 here's this one man stand romantic who's 652 00:28:26,500 --> 00:28:24,550 seeing strange lights in the sky and 653 00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:26,510 then all of a sudden he's seeing 654 00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:29,150 daylight was craft and there's a groups 655 00:28:33,730 --> 00:28:31,190 of people that are seeing it with him so 656 00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:33,740 I think what once people understand that 657 00:28:38,220 --> 00:28:36,260 okay I can wrap my head around and I 658 00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:38,230 went through the same process you did I 659 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:40,820 can now wrap my head around I always 660 00:28:44,170 --> 00:28:42,170 believed that there was life on other 661 00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:44,180 planets that there were extraterrestrial 662 00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:47,539 life-forms and then I pretty much a 663 00:28:53,349 --> 00:28:50,960 actively kind of started to I was pretty 664 00:28:56,739 --> 00:28:53,359 sure that they somehow could get here 665 00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:56,749 that they have visited and you know 666 00:29:01,060 --> 00:28:59,210 depending on their technology but then 667 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:01,070 now it gets a little trickier because 668 00:29:07,060 --> 00:29:03,590 now it starts to hit home it starts to 669 00:29:08,590 --> 00:29:07,070 get real almost a little unnerving 670 00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,600 because now when we're talking about 671 00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:10,159 abductions we're talking about something 672 00:29:15,249 --> 00:29:12,440 very personal it's an invasion of 673 00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:15,259 privacy it's an invasion of our space 674 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:17,929 and what's going on but I think that 675 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:20,269 when we were trying to lead people from 676 00:29:26,769 --> 00:29:24,529 A to B C D and not go directly to M or Z 677 00:29:28,869 --> 00:29:26,779 which would be you know where we're 678 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:28,879 going with this is are there 679 00:29:36,659 --> 00:29:32,690 hybridization programs that are ongoing 680 00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:36,669 and have been ongoing for decades 681 00:29:42,249 --> 00:29:39,320 wherein people men and women have been 682 00:29:47,109 --> 00:29:42,259 abducted have been experimented on have 683 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:47,119 been used for Reproductive purposes and 684 00:29:52,479 --> 00:29:49,849 the end result of that is hybrid 685 00:29:54,639 --> 00:29:52,489 children and it's kind of like well why 686 00:29:57,369 --> 00:29:54,649 why why would that why might that be the 687 00:29:59,710 --> 00:29:57,379 case so when you say I can't wrap my 688 00:30:01,210 --> 00:29:59,720 head around that that's really something 689 00:30:02,739 --> 00:30:01,220 that's totally understandable because 690 00:30:06,369 --> 00:30:02,749 most people who are still wrapping their 691 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:06,379 heads around are UFOs even real our 692 00:30:11,339 --> 00:30:09,049 needs he's even out there well then it's 693 00:30:14,349 --> 00:30:11,349 going to be harder to understand or 694 00:30:17,229 --> 00:30:14,359 accept that these hybridization programs 695 00:30:19,979 --> 00:30:17,239 are occurring right did you have 696 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:19,989 anything you wanted to add to that John 697 00:30:25,869 --> 00:30:23,090 no it's it's a journey I think an 698 00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:25,879 awakening a discovery of possibilities 699 00:30:30,669 --> 00:30:28,220 and we've said this numerous times 700 00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:30,679 before is we're not going out there 701 00:30:37,989 --> 00:30:33,830 saying that what we're documenting is is 702 00:30:39,789 --> 00:30:37,999 its fact we're telling stories and what 703 00:30:44,609 --> 00:30:39,799 we're doing is finding stories that 704 00:30:46,899 --> 00:30:44,619 corroborate a pathway that has been 705 00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:46,909 shared by many people who have had the 706 00:30:51,729 --> 00:30:49,070 same stories before there's documented 707 00:30:55,389 --> 00:30:51,739 evidence of people who have told shared 708 00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:55,399 their abduction story that live in 709 00:30:59,769 --> 00:30:57,529 remote areas that don't have access to 710 00:31:01,480 --> 00:30:59,779 the internet television even electricity 711 00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:01,490 but when they share their story 712 00:31:04,810 --> 00:31:03,140 they corroborate with people who have 713 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:04,820 shared their stories so when you start 714 00:31:09,870 --> 00:31:07,790 to see you know evidence let's say 715 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:09,880 evidence and we had a discussion with 716 00:31:14,770 --> 00:31:12,650 dr. David Jacobs about this and he said 717 00:31:17,260 --> 00:31:14,780 I'm sick and tired of people saying that 718 00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:17,270 there is no evidence we've got tens of 719 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:19,100 thousands if not hundreds of thousands 720 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:21,350 if not millions of people who have had 721 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:25,360 stories shared experiences have had 722 00:31:30,250 --> 00:31:28,130 abduction process stories that they've 723 00:31:32,169 --> 00:31:30,260 they've shared that are very similar 724 00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:32,179 they're corroborating each other at some 725 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:33,710 point we have to acknowledge the fact 726 00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:36,410 that this very well may be the evidence 727 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:39,590 that we should be looking at so we're 728 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:41,300 just trying to present the information 729 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:45,290 in a way that allows people to analyze 730 00:31:48,490 --> 00:31:47,210 it in a digestible way later Jack was 731 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:48,500 saying is that we're not going to take 732 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:51,410 them into the deep dive at step one so 733 00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:53,290 the three films that we're making are 734 00:31:58,780 --> 00:31:56,809 trying to get people to watch them in 735 00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:58,790 sequence and say okay now I have a 736 00:32:03,130 --> 00:32:00,770 better understanding of the of the big 737 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:03,140 picture as opposed to them just diving 738 00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:05,030 into the minutiae which is what a lot of 739 00:32:08,830 --> 00:32:07,460 films do so our objective from the very 740 00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:08,840 beginning was to reach the widest 741 00:32:13,690 --> 00:32:11,240 audience possible and in order to do 742 00:32:16,090 --> 00:32:13,700 that we need to share stories that were 743 00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:16,100 not super over-the-top but would also 744 00:32:20,140 --> 00:32:17,990 connect with people and one of the ways 745 00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:20,150 this film connects with people is from 746 00:32:28,270 --> 00:32:23,870 an emotional standpoint so it it is not 747 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:28,280 a I would say yeah as I've talked with 748 00:32:31,390 --> 00:32:29,809 people from a scientific point of view 749 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,400 that there's no empirical evidence to 750 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:32,960 prove this and they're exactly right 751 00:32:36,820 --> 00:32:35,030 there isn't but there's there's a lot of 752 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:36,830 stories of people sharing something that 753 00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,020 that happened to them where they had a 754 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:41,600 profound impact emotionally 755 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:43,730 psychologically in some cases 756 00:32:49,060 --> 00:32:47,570 intellectually so we're we can't deny 757 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:49,070 that people who have had these 758 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:52,130 experiences whatever they may be that 759 00:32:54,910 --> 00:32:53,420 they had them and that's one of the 760 00:32:57,250 --> 00:32:54,920 issues I think that we have is that so 761 00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:57,260 many people are denying that these 762 00:33:02,110 --> 00:32:59,570 things exist and that these experiences 763 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:02,120 are real when the individuals that have 764 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:04,070 been through them have done nothing more 765 00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:06,620 than tell their side of the story and 766 00:33:11,409 --> 00:33:08,780 they're not looking for fame or fortune 767 00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:11,419 and anybody who knows the ufology world 768 00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,760 well know that that's not doable 769 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:16,559 you know for anybody who goes out and 770 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:17,850 shares their story what they're doing 771 00:33:22,270 --> 00:33:19,650 basically isn't up opening themselves up 772 00:33:25,130 --> 00:33:22,280 to a tremendous amount of ridicule so 773 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:25,140 our objective really was to let's let's 774 00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:27,270 guide people through a process though so 775 00:33:30,919 --> 00:33:29,220 that at the end of each film that we 776 00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:30,929 made ask yourself one simple question 777 00:33:39,020 --> 00:33:35,700 what if this is true the what if part so 778 00:33:40,700 --> 00:33:39,030 if it is true what does that mean so 779 00:33:43,220 --> 00:33:40,710 we're trying to encourage a discussion 780 00:33:45,380 --> 00:33:43,230 that asks the age-old question of why do 781 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:45,390 why are we here where do we come from 782 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:47,490 where do we go when we die all of these 783 00:33:51,140 --> 00:33:49,950 things I think are you altima on the 784 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:51,150 table when you start talking about 785 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:53,280 something as as big as this this is not 786 00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:55,260 just about is that light in the sky a 787 00:33:58,370 --> 00:33:56,760 spaceship there's so much more 788 00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,380 implications to something like this and 789 00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:01,679 we just want to explore it I personally 790 00:34:06,770 --> 00:34:03,540 I've mentioned this on this show before 791 00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:06,780 when it comes to abductions or 792 00:34:15,889 --> 00:34:12,629 experiencers if I was experiencing what 793 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:15,899 they are supposedly experiencing I don't 794 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:17,970 know if I could function in this world I 795 00:34:23,090 --> 00:34:20,760 just don't know how I could possibly 796 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,100 move on you know like that if something 797 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:24,960 like that was happening at night how 798 00:34:30,859 --> 00:34:27,570 would I ever even want to go to work the 799 00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:30,869 next day or function with family or 800 00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,480 anything like that how do these people 801 00:34:39,859 --> 00:34:35,879 do it if this is really happening I mean 802 00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:39,869 what would some thoughts on that general 803 00:34:45,260 --> 00:34:42,929 I think yeah sure it depends on the 804 00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:45,270 individual but you know a lot of them 805 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:49,830 don't function very well and you know 806 00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,690 they really 807 00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:53,399 in most cases they're suffering from 808 00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:55,800 post-traumatic stress disorder mm-hmm 809 00:35:01,070 --> 00:34:57,810 just like as someone who would come back 810 00:35:06,099 --> 00:35:01,080 from the Gulf War or Afghanistan it's 811 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:06,109 the same it's it's a traumatic stressful 812 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:08,850 experiences or experience or experiences 813 00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:10,619 that they're having and they are feeling 814 00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:13,800 that psychologically many of them though 815 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:15,960 what tends to happen with people is the 816 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:18,060 more time that goes by they start to 817 00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:21,810 accept it and they put it in a in a 818 00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:25,020 particular box and some people might say 819 00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:28,080 well I was destined to be to do this to 820 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,920 be part of this 821 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:32,040 and maybe I agreed to do this in a prior 822 00:35:37,070 --> 00:35:34,920 life tie or you know that somehow that 823 00:35:39,310 --> 00:35:37,080 that's it's my purpose and I'm helping 824 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:39,320 humanity somehow I'm helping humanity 825 00:35:45,110 --> 00:35:43,050 and you know but many people they suffer 826 00:35:49,790 --> 00:35:45,120 and and they don't it and especially at 827 00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:49,800 first they are met their mess they made 828 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:51,900 they don't go to work relationships are 829 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:55,410 destroyed they lose their jobs 830 00:36:01,760 --> 00:35:58,290 we had one particular person in art in 831 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:01,770 this film Rob Bullington who really 832 00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:04,290 struggled mightily and he was dealing 833 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:06,960 with physical issues as a result of this 834 00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:09,090 psychological issues as a result of this 835 00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,670 and he was he basically was almost 836 00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:16,800 indigent pretty much I mean he had lost 837 00:36:21,830 --> 00:36:20,160 everything and so and then they start to 838 00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,840 get back on their feet slowly but surely 839 00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:24,180 but you know this was posed the other 840 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:25,740 night and John and I were talking about 841 00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:28,260 this you know how many people that have 842 00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:30,360 had these experiences and we'll never 843 00:36:34,580 --> 00:36:32,100 know this but how many may have 844 00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:34,590 committed suicide that was actually on 845 00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,020 my mind but I was almost afraid to ask 846 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:39,720 it's a tough it's a tough subject but 847 00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,330 like I guarantee you that there are a 848 00:36:47,450 --> 00:36:44,940 certain number of these experiencers who 849 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,460 just don't they can't handle they can't 850 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:50,400 they can't live with it mm-hmm that's 851 00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:51,690 one of the things that I would emphasize 852 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:54,300 too is that when you're making a film 853 00:37:00,260 --> 00:36:56,970 like this at the end of the day you're 854 00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:00,270 showing an hour and 45 minutes so we're 855 00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:02,460 not showing everything that we captured 856 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,260 would be impossible to do that although 857 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:07,440 we are going to be featuring some of the 858 00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:10,110 interviews in a great portion of the 859 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:11,580 interviews on a patreon account which 860 00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:14,850 we're building out and that should be of 861 00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:16,470 some of these things will be available 862 00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,060 for anybody who wants to do a deeper 863 00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:20,280 dive will be able to see them by 864 00:37:24,350 --> 00:37:22,260 becoming a supporting member of our 865 00:37:26,330 --> 00:37:24,360 patreon page because we want to continue 866 00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:26,340 to tell these stories in one of the ways 867 00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:27,540 that we can do that is to find a 868 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:30,030 community that supports the storytelling 869 00:37:33,830 --> 00:37:32,160 and the path that we're taking which is 870 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:33,840 more of a humanistic approach as opposed 871 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:36,090 to just evidence or conspiracy theory 872 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:38,850 but the the point that I want to make is 873 00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,890 that when you sit down with somebody for 874 00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:42,720 seven eight hours to 875 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:44,760 do an interview and they break down in 876 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:46,890 tears and have to walk away from the 877 00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:48,930 camera you know several times because 878 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:51,920 it's too intense to tell their story 879 00:37:57,859 --> 00:37:55,890 I just don't there's there's level of 880 00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:57,869 compassion that you have to have towards 881 00:38:01,760 --> 00:37:59,880 people who are doing this their their 882 00:38:04,460 --> 00:38:01,770 feeling in the moment that I'm sharing 883 00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:04,470 something that is potentially could go 884 00:38:10,460 --> 00:38:08,280 out to the world to see and I consider 885 00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:10,470 that what you know Geraldine robbed in 886 00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,800 April in particular did was brave 887 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:16,320 because they're sharing a story that in 888 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:18,540 a week a week from today when it goes 889 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:22,410 out for the the masses to see their 890 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:24,330 stories are no longer their own stories 891 00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:25,970 they're gonna become part of the apology 892 00:38:32,330 --> 00:38:30,990 story and in in a in a grand way so or 893 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:32,340 what we just want to do is encourage 894 00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:35,010 people to think step back before you're 895 00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:37,500 quick to judge and say what if I spend a 896 00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:39,960 week with this person or a day or even 897 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:42,560 an afternoon with them what would I 898 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:45,090 experience and you would likely 899 00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,530 experience manic activity in depressed 900 00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:51,359 activity you would see the highs and the 901 00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:52,980 lows in a very short amount of time 902 00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,750 because every single person that we've 903 00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:56,640 interviewed who's had an experience 904 00:39:01,940 --> 00:38:59,220 shares the highs and the lows and 905 00:39:04,190 --> 00:39:01,950 they're usually very excited one moment 906 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:04,200 and very down the next and it's it's 907 00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:06,570 difficult to watch sometimes and that's 908 00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,980 one of the things we want to drive home 909 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,380 is that you know as corny as this might 910 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:12,300 sound experiences are people too we 911 00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:13,680 should treat them with the same respect 912 00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:16,440 and compassion and empathy that we would 913 00:39:19,339 --> 00:39:17,880 with anybody else has been going through 914 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:19,349 something traumatic because it is a 915 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:22,290 traumatic experience for them right and 916 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:24,810 I understand there's there's I've 917 00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:27,330 actually seen this in action out in 918 00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:30,060 Phoenix the last number of years there's 919 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:32,820 sort of a there's sort of a group 920 00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:36,660 therapy going on between them they get 921 00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:39,750 together and and basically help each 922 00:39:47,060 --> 00:39:44,280 other just by talking about it did you 923 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:47,070 see any of that have you to saw when we 924 00:39:50,780 --> 00:39:49,290 were shooting the film we we shot some 925 00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:50,790 things that weren't included in the film 926 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:51,900 and one of them was bringing these 927 00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,490 people together so that they could talk 928 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:54,800 about 929 00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:57,290 their personal experiences amongst 930 00:40:02,050 --> 00:39:59,470 people who've had the experiences and in 931 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:02,060 Barbara Lam and Yvonne Smith were there 932 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:03,590 as well to kind of facilitate it and 933 00:40:10,030 --> 00:40:05,650 they talked for about three hours and 934 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:10,040 there was this sense of understanding a 935 00:40:17,410 --> 00:40:13,310 sense of community but also a sense of 936 00:40:18,490 --> 00:40:17,420 support that I found my tribe because 937 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:18,500 you know there's people have been 938 00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:20,330 telling their stories for 30 40 years 939 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:22,670 and those people have become comfortable 940 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:25,610 with that exposure other people have 941 00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:27,890 never told their story to anyone and 942 00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,540 then they they're asked to share their 943 00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:32,000 story in a group setting and it's very 944 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:33,950 difficult very challenging but one of 945 00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:35,090 the things we want to encourage with 946 00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:36,920 this film is that you know two things 947 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:39,020 for people to understand that those 948 00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:41,710 going through the experiences are having 949 00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:44,240 traumatic trauma and they need our 950 00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:46,430 empathy and compassion but also to 951 00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,020 encourage the people who've had them to 952 00:40:53,590 --> 00:40:50,720 find the community so we'll have at the 953 00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:53,600 end of the film there's a link to shown 954 00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:55,400 that is a link to a portal on our 955 00:40:59,530 --> 00:40:57,160 website that will allow people who have 956 00:41:01,300 --> 00:40:59,540 had an experience if they're comfortable 957 00:41:02,020 --> 00:41:01,310 enough to do more research they can 958 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:02,030 start there 959 00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:03,200 because that's one of the things we've 960 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:04,820 had since we started promoting this film 961 00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:07,310 is several people have reached out to us 962 00:41:11,830 --> 00:41:10,220 and say I have a story to tell but I 963 00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:11,840 don't want to tell anybody but I need to 964 00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:13,910 speak to someone can you help us 965 00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:18,230 so it's happened on numerous times one 966 00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,520 time with a couple where the the male 967 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:25,280 was had an experience and and his just 968 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:26,930 does not want to talk about it but its 969 00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:29,450 impact in the relationship and the 970 00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:31,940 female was like we need to do something 971 00:41:37,330 --> 00:41:34,940 to help this I believe him but he's 972 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:37,340 struggling with sharing his story so 973 00:41:41,710 --> 00:41:39,940 just imagine extrapolate that out to 974 00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:41,720 relationships where people who have had 975 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:43,670 that that experience what does that mean 976 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:45,890 what is that energy like where you don't 977 00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:48,110 feel comfortable talking to to somebody 978 00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:50,420 so we're trying to encourage that 979 00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:52,700 encouraging that sense of community and 980 00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:54,920 I think that once people find their 981 00:42:00,100 --> 00:41:57,250 tribe and realize that they're not alone 982 00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,110 they find ways to better manage it like 983 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:02,000 Jack had mentioned earlier they find the 984 00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,310 box that best works for them on how to 985 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:07,280 manage it but it never goes away I mean 986 00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:08,210 there's 987 00:42:13,060 --> 00:42:11,060 in the film that von Smith says is that 988 00:42:16,089 --> 00:42:13,070 she whenever she screened somebody for 989 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:16,099 regression she says to them is that you 990 00:42:19,690 --> 00:42:17,690 know once we opened the store we can't 991 00:42:21,370 --> 00:42:19,700 close it once the toothpaste is out of 992 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:21,380 the toothpaste it can't go back in so 993 00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:23,150 you have to be prepared for what's to 994 00:42:28,839 --> 00:42:25,880 come and the people are brave enough to 995 00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:28,849 share those stories and have those those 996 00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:31,520 regression experiences have a story to 997 00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:33,910 tell that that we think is worthy of 998 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:36,830 listening to just a quick story about 999 00:42:43,690 --> 00:42:40,250 Yvonne I was out in California I don't 1000 00:42:46,089 --> 00:42:43,700 know maybe five or six years ago and I 1001 00:42:47,770 --> 00:42:46,099 was near where she was at I contacted 1002 00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:47,780 her said hey can I come in to your 1003 00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:50,960 office and we'll record a record a show 1004 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:53,920 and she said sure a fine so I went in 1005 00:42:59,680 --> 00:42:56,810 the recording equipment everything was 1006 00:43:01,420 --> 00:42:59,690 working fine I went and recorded there 1007 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:01,430 did a show there this was back when I 1008 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:04,250 was doing just the podcast and I got 1009 00:43:12,310 --> 00:43:08,089 home and I plugged it in and it was 1010 00:43:15,630 --> 00:43:12,320 really weird there was it was not her 1011 00:43:19,150 --> 00:43:15,640 and I it was like someone like humming 1012 00:43:22,329 --> 00:43:19,160 and almost sounded like a Native 1013 00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:22,339 American chant so I called her and I 1014 00:43:25,329 --> 00:43:23,630 said you're not gonna believe this but 1015 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:25,339 the recording I even checked the 1016 00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,410 recording when I was in her office was 1017 00:43:30,970 --> 00:43:28,880 working fine I said there's something 1018 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:30,980 really going on she said it's not the 1019 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:34,010 first time she had other things happen 1020 00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:35,450 in her office like that which was 1021 00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:38,180 totally bizarre I know I'm going off the 1022 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:39,980 deep end here but I wanted to talk to 1023 00:43:42,070 --> 00:43:40,490 you 1024 00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:42,080 we're gonna be going to break in about 1025 00:43:46,990 --> 00:43:44,540 five minutes or so but I have a friend 1026 00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:47,000 in Sweden who's been on the show a 1027 00:43:53,859 --> 00:43:50,240 number of times class fond and he is 1028 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:53,869 basically in charge of or he was a past 1029 00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:56,330 president of their UFO group over there 1030 00:44:01,780 --> 00:43:58,970 it's kind of like a MUFON takes in a lot 1031 00:44:04,990 --> 00:44:01,790 a lot of UFO cases very interesting and 1032 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:05,000 there's no ridicule and there's no 1033 00:44:09,579 --> 00:44:07,369 ridicule in Sweden as far as he's 1034 00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:09,589 concerned people take the subject really 1035 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:11,660 seriously it has a huge libraries in 1036 00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,730 charge of so I asked him about 1037 00:44:18,460 --> 00:44:15,680 abductions I said what's going on there 1038 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,470 and about abductions you said I might 1039 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:21,280 get one case a year 1040 00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:24,310 now my question is do you think that 1041 00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:26,380 it's a regional situation you mentioned 1042 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:28,900 earlier that people are abducted all 1043 00:44:34,020 --> 00:44:30,850 over the world but do you think that is 1044 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:34,030 possibly a regional type situation 1045 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:35,950 because look at America you know I mean 1046 00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:38,290 so many people here are saying 1047 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:41,560 something's going on that's hard to say 1048 00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,360 I mean you know you have population 1049 00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:46,480 differences you know we have a much 1050 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:49,660 larger population than Sweden but it 1051 00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,310 could you know you could talk about well 1052 00:44:55,020 --> 00:44:53,680 we're you know again now we're getting 1053 00:44:57,420 --> 00:44:55,030 into we could talk about underground 1054 00:44:59,880 --> 00:44:57,430 bases and well you know where these 1055 00:45:02,160 --> 00:44:59,890 things are occurring and you know it's 1056 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:02,170 hard to and maybe there is a military 1057 00:45:06,510 --> 00:45:04,450 component to it and if that's the case 1058 00:45:10,020 --> 00:45:06,520 then the US has a much larger military 1059 00:45:11,490 --> 00:45:10,030 presence than Sweden does so but there's 1060 00:45:14,070 --> 00:45:11,500 so many variables to that that's 1061 00:45:16,620 --> 00:45:14,080 actually really surprising that he said 1062 00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,630 only one a year Wow yeah but the one I 1063 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:18,160 think part of it too is that they 1064 00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:21,370 they're there is this is there a comfort 1065 00:45:25,050 --> 00:45:23,800 level and sharing those stories well sir 1066 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,060 yes sir 1067 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:27,040 and he said then it's very they're very 1068 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:29,170 comfortable talking about that type of 1069 00:45:33,420 --> 00:45:31,450 situation but I will tell you that the 1070 00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,430 one abduction story he told me was a 1071 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:36,400 doozy and it was a police officer 1072 00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,330 involved in everything 1073 00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:39,760 his wife lifted right off the bed he saw 1074 00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:42,070 the whole thing and couldn't move and it 1075 00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,950 was really a crazy story so he's not 1076 00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,960 opposed to it and as far as he knows no 1077 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:48,640 one else as opposed to it there so I 1078 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:52,030 just thought it was interesting and I 1079 00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:53,770 think it's I think in situations like 1080 00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,080 that too it's a you know encouraging 1081 00:46:00,300 --> 00:45:58,240 conversation and talking about it and 1082 00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:00,310 sharing it in a way where people feel 1083 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:03,460 like it is a I think there's a pride 1084 00:46:09,450 --> 00:46:07,030 thing there is a integrity and some 1085 00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:09,460 people are will choose not to tell their 1086 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:11,500 story because they know that nothing 1087 00:46:15,870 --> 00:46:13,330 good is going to come of it at least 1088 00:46:18,210 --> 00:46:15,880 that would be the majority of the people 1089 00:46:20,940 --> 00:46:18,220 you know would say Rob Jack mentioned 1090 00:46:22,260 --> 00:46:20,950 earlier about Rob Rob's had experiences 1091 00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:22,270 that he's still grappling with he's 1092 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:24,220 still struggling with how the how he 1093 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:26,170 fits into everything that he's learned 1094 00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:27,730 and everything that he's been exposed to 1095 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:30,100 and you know he told us he goes I 1096 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:31,810 sometimes feel more calm I think I would 1097 00:46:34,620 --> 00:46:33,730 feel more comfortable off planet than on 1098 00:46:36,569 --> 00:46:34,630 these 1099 00:46:38,819 --> 00:46:36,579 but I didn't feel that way seven eight 1100 00:46:41,940 --> 00:46:38,829 years ago or ten years ago when he had 1101 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:41,950 his first experience in 2009 so he said 1102 00:46:46,410 --> 00:46:44,529 that you know his everything has changed 1103 00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:46,420 for him and then you have somebody like 1104 00:46:52,589 --> 00:46:49,660 Geraldine who was a successful 1105 00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:52,599 businesswoman she was engaged to get 1106 00:46:57,660 --> 00:46:54,279 married she had had an abduction 1107 00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,670 scenario that she recalled in 2013 and 1108 00:47:01,200 --> 00:46:59,440 it kept gnawing at her but her fiance at 1109 00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:01,210 the time said this is something that you 1110 00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:02,680 don't want to make present to your 1111 00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:05,440 family the community at large your kids 1112 00:47:08,339 --> 00:47:06,910 will have to deal with you telling this 1113 00:47:10,380 --> 00:47:08,349 story so she buried it 1114 00:47:11,999 --> 00:47:10,390 but she said it kept gnawing at her it 1115 00:47:13,170 --> 00:47:12,009 kept she had some other things that 1116 00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:13,180 happened too and she wouldn't had two 1117 00:47:16,859 --> 00:47:15,220 regressions and after the one regression 1118 00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:16,869 she broke off the relationship and after 1119 00:47:20,729 --> 00:47:18,940 the other regression within a month of 1120 00:47:22,979 --> 00:47:20,739 each other she quit her six-figure a 1121 00:47:23,819 --> 00:47:22,989 year job and said I need to help people 1122 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:23,829 who've gone through what I've gone 1123 00:47:28,289 --> 00:47:25,529 through and she's dedicated her life to 1124 00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:28,299 making a difference so there's somebody 1125 00:47:33,630 --> 00:47:30,369 who's had an experience and has turned 1126 00:47:36,210 --> 00:47:33,640 it into something positive by trying to 1127 00:47:40,529 --> 00:47:36,220 help in the best way she knows how 1128 00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:40,539 wow that is really interesting I bet the 1129 00:47:48,839 --> 00:47:44,529 number one question that an experiencer 1130 00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,849 has is why why is this happening 1131 00:47:55,410 --> 00:47:51,119 maybe why is it happening to me or just 1132 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:55,420 plain why what did you we've only got 1133 00:48:00,049 --> 00:47:56,890 about a minute to break I don't know if 1134 00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:00,059 either one of you want to tackle that 1135 00:48:05,009 --> 00:48:03,190 yeah they do ask that and a lot of times 1136 00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,019 they don't get the answer but they 1137 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:07,839 always said why me everyone on this 1138 00:48:11,579 --> 00:48:09,670 planet like why am I going through this 1139 00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:11,589 and it's almost like you're going 1140 00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:13,420 through all those phases of grief you 1141 00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,160 know you have the anger really at the 1142 00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:16,960 fear and the anger at all all these 1143 00:48:21,809 --> 00:48:20,319 emotions are there for these people to 1144 00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:21,819 answer that question is to the 1145 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:23,849 possibilities of why would take longer 1146 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:27,729 than the time we have right now but that 1147 00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:29,170 is something we could talk about after 1148 00:48:38,759 --> 00:48:33,960 the break hear that yeah yeah yeah and 1149 00:48:42,989 --> 00:48:38,769 you know if there are so many people 1150 00:48:45,799 --> 00:48:42,999 being you know having this experience it 1151 00:48:48,420 --> 00:48:45,809 just seems like you talked earlier 1152 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:48,430 there's you know there's no 1153 00:48:55,470 --> 00:48:50,410 empirical evidence that this is 1154 00:48:58,110 --> 00:48:55,480 happening and you know I wonder is it is 1155 00:49:01,140 --> 00:48:58,120 there never going to be I mean is it is 1156 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:01,150 there not gonna be someone nearby with a 1157 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:03,610 cell phone camera that's gonna snap a 1158 00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:05,770 picture of someone floating out a window 1159 00:49:11,340 --> 00:49:09,190 or you know I mean it's all very what's 1160 00:49:14,130 --> 00:49:11,350 that it's not blurry 1161 00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:14,140 yeah that's not blurry yeah so anyway 1162 00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:16,900 we're right at our break so we're going 1163 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:19,600 to head into that break and hang in 1164 00:49:23,850 --> 00:49:22,210 everyone we'll be right back right after 1165 00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:23,860 these messages 1166 00:49:30,900 --> 00:49:27,400 I welcome back to the show my guests 1167 00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:30,910 this evening we have both John sample 1168 00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:33,760 and we have Jack Roth on the show we're 1169 00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:36,190 talking about extraordinary the seating 1170 00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:39,340 their film coming up of real soon and 1171 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:41,560 you need to go check it out it's going 1172 00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:45,970 to be in theaters and so let's see we 1173 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:50,500 were talking about more or less evidence 1174 00:49:57,060 --> 00:49:53,410 when we went into the break and I'd like 1175 00:49:58,410 --> 00:49:57,070 to address that a little bit more if you 1176 00:50:01,080 --> 00:49:58,420 would I don't know which one of you 1177 00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:01,090 wants to take that but how do you see 1178 00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:03,340 that where we actually have evidence for 1179 00:50:09,810 --> 00:50:07,390 what what is happening well I think I 1180 00:50:12,270 --> 00:50:09,820 think there is evidence and I think that 1181 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:12,280 we saw that within this in the case of 1182 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:16,330 Stan Romanick he had an enormous amount 1183 00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:19,410 of what would be called trace evidence 1184 00:50:25,650 --> 00:50:22,030 and that could be it could be anything 1185 00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:25,660 from marks on the ground crop circles 1186 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:30,400 landing impressions from something to 1187 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:34,450 marks on your body to strange objects in 1188 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:37,090 your body which have when we know this 1189 00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:42,370 to be true and with dr. Leir when he he 1190 00:50:46,830 --> 00:50:44,710 would he would he would do surgery on 1191 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:46,840 people and take these objects out of out 1192 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:49,090 of people were abducted and then there 1193 00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,290 was something in their bodies and 1194 00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:51,760 whether it was a monitoring device or 1195 00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:53,710 whatnot whatever it was and it was a 1196 00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:56,020 foreign object and in many cases they 1197 00:51:00,210 --> 00:50:58,150 couldn't they couldn't determine really 1198 00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:00,220 what it was it was it was mechanical but 1199 00:51:04,140 --> 00:51:02,350 it was also biological 1200 00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:04,150 so the body wouldn't reject it so the 1201 00:51:09,180 --> 00:51:06,640 technology was there it was pretty high 1202 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:09,190 high-end with these things so you have 1203 00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:10,990 that kind of evidence you have cattle 1204 00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:13,360 mutilations all over I mean that there's 1205 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:16,180 so much evidence that suggests that you 1206 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:17,710 know something's happening to these 1207 00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:21,490 animals and it's not being done the with 1208 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:24,070 the laser precision that there's certain 1209 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:28,050 parts of their Anatomy are being taken 1210 00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,150 it's just not possible for it to be some 1211 00:51:36,750 --> 00:51:34,000 a hoax or a bunch of teenagers drunk 1212 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:36,760 teenagers doing this so there is 1213 00:51:43,110 --> 00:51:40,330 evidence but again it's just evidence 1214 00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:43,120 it's not proof and I think that's that 1215 00:51:49,470 --> 00:51:46,780 but if you look at all of it and really 1216 00:51:51,540 --> 00:51:49,480 look at the body of evidence then it's 1217 00:51:52,620 --> 00:51:51,550 compelling and I don't say it doesn't 1218 00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:52,630 prove anything 1219 00:51:57,540 --> 00:51:54,790 but I think if you look at it 1220 00:51:58,830 --> 00:51:57,550 objectively and you take a logical 1221 00:52:01,590 --> 00:51:58,840 progression of the things that you're 1222 00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:01,600 seeing kind of makes sense it's kind of 1223 00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:03,550 well why are they why are they taking 1224 00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:07,200 these particular body parts from cows 1225 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:10,150 why are they taking uterus from a cow 1226 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:13,330 and why are the the bovine the whole 1227 00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:16,810 idea that bovine DNA is the closest that 1228 00:52:21,450 --> 00:52:19,420 that bovine hemoglobin is the closest 1229 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:21,460 thing to our hemoglobin such people 1230 00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:23,410 don't think they don't realize that they 1231 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:26,200 think it's ape or monkeys but it's not 1232 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:30,010 it's cows so what does that suggest is 1233 00:52:36,090 --> 00:52:32,410 that all part of this experimentation 1234 00:52:38,100 --> 00:52:36,100 these these this hybridization kind of 1235 00:52:42,270 --> 00:52:38,110 these projects that might be happening 1236 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:42,280 so I do think there is evidence now was 1237 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:44,650 is it enough to say well it's proof no 1238 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:46,690 absolutely not and we don't know what it 1239 00:52:52,860 --> 00:52:51,010 is but there is we went through a ton of 1240 00:52:55,610 --> 00:52:52,870 evidence in Stan's case and it took us 1241 00:52:58,410 --> 00:52:55,620 quite a while to go through all of it so 1242 00:53:00,980 --> 00:52:58,420 it depends on how you look at it right 1243 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:00,990 what are your thoughts on evidence John 1244 00:53:06,300 --> 00:53:03,970 yeah I agree in principle with what 1245 00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,310 jacket said and I think that it's it's 1246 00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:08,720 more a matter of what you're willing to 1247 00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:10,140 [Music] 1248 00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:13,420 explore so you might sit there and say 1249 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:15,140 well I don't this the 1250 00:53:20,380 --> 00:53:17,570 is a tough pill for me to swallow then 1251 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:20,390 my question would be have you spent time 1252 00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:22,730 with anybody who's had experiences and 1253 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:25,430 if you have how much time and how many 1254 00:53:30,850 --> 00:53:27,590 people and when you start to hear a lot 1255 00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:30,860 of the corroboration in storytelling and 1256 00:53:36,010 --> 00:53:34,070 a lot of the the imagery and you see the 1257 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:36,020 emotional responses as you're having 1258 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:37,490 these conversations and I'm not saying 1259 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:39,290 with one or two people but if you have a 1260 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:41,450 chance to sit down with with dozens of 1261 00:53:45,940 --> 00:53:43,910 different people at different times and 1262 00:53:48,670 --> 00:53:45,950 have them tell their story you're gonna 1263 00:53:52,660 --> 00:53:48,680 start to hear a lot of similar things 1264 00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:52,670 and it's and you're gonna hear in a lot 1265 00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:54,470 of the people in a lot of cases the 1266 00:54:02,080 --> 00:53:59,090 sense of a humbleness or you know you 1267 00:54:05,740 --> 00:54:02,090 might think I'm crazy but this may sound 1268 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:05,750 ridiculous but they're aware that what 1269 00:54:10,450 --> 00:54:07,970 they're sharing with you sounds 1270 00:54:11,890 --> 00:54:10,460 extremely far-fetched you know in some 1271 00:54:13,450 --> 00:54:11,900 of the people that we've talked to say 1272 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:13,460 that they believe that it's far-fetched 1273 00:54:19,090 --> 00:54:17,930 but they can't deny their experience you 1274 00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:19,100 know on the evidence sites who there are 1275 00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:21,560 people who've come back with you know 1276 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:23,540 holding objects there have been people 1277 00:54:28,900 --> 00:54:26,960 who have had clothes changed so you know 1278 00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:28,910 when you hear those things you know one 1279 00:54:33,370 --> 00:54:30,440 of the initial reactions to 1280 00:54:35,410 --> 00:54:33,380 non-believers is well they this is this 1281 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:35,420 a stage this is hoaxed they're looking 1282 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:37,370 for attention and you know our 1283 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:39,530 experience is the people whose stories 1284 00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:42,770 are the most real aren't looking for 1285 00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:44,660 attention the people who are looking for 1286 00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:46,910 attention are usually the people that we 1287 00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:49,190 walk away from because we're not out to 1288 00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:52,400 advance anyone's personal agenda yeah so 1289 00:54:56,170 --> 00:54:54,710 we've we've gone out of our way to make 1290 00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:56,180 sure that we're not we actually had a 1291 00:54:59,590 --> 00:54:57,650 couple people when we were screening 1292 00:55:01,210 --> 00:54:59,600 them to share their stories their first 1293 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:01,220 question was how how much you're gonna 1294 00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:01,850 pay me 1295 00:55:05,620 --> 00:55:04,190 Wow and we said sorry we're not 1296 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:05,630 interested in you because that's not 1297 00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:06,650 what this is about 1298 00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:09,020 so if that comes out of anybody's mouth 1299 00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,700 they're looking for the financial gain 1300 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:12,800 that's really not something that we're 1301 00:55:16,540 --> 00:55:13,850 interested in I'll tell it an 1302 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:16,550 interesting story that gives you an idea 1303 00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,250 of why people do the investigation and 1304 00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:22,640 investigative work that they do we some 1305 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:25,520 of the people in our projects we do pay 1306 00:55:30,180 --> 00:55:28,570 them an honorarium I would 1307 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:30,190 some of them all of them we do it's just 1308 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:32,050 you know a fraction of amount we don't 1309 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:34,000 have huge budgets it's not a big deal 1310 00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:37,330 but when we interviewed dr. David Jacobs 1311 00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:39,910 for our last film I had shared something 1312 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:42,790 our next film I had shared with him 1313 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:47,290 during a phone call back in the winter 1314 00:55:51,690 --> 00:55:49,930 January's timeframe that we would that 1315 00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:51,700 we would be giving him an honorarium and 1316 00:55:54,930 --> 00:55:53,470 he was he was like gracious and thank 1317 00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:54,940 you but we were done with the interview 1318 00:56:00,240 --> 00:55:57,970 I handed him a check and he he he broke 1319 00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:00,250 down in tears he says no one's ever done 1320 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:02,530 this to me before hmm 1321 00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:04,450 he says I've never been no one's ever 1322 00:56:08,670 --> 00:56:06,520 given me money before he says I might 1323 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:08,680 get a you know you know somebody might 1324 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:12,850 you know throw me you know 50 bucks in 1325 00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:14,890 and he says and it's nice you know but 1326 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:19,000 no one's ever made me feel like my work 1327 00:56:23,340 --> 00:56:21,010 is as important as you guys just did 1328 00:56:25,110 --> 00:56:23,350 because it is important you know if 1329 00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:25,120 someone who's dedicated and he's another 1330 00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:27,100 thing he shared he said he's never taken 1331 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:29,110 a penny for any of the regressions that 1332 00:56:33,180 --> 00:56:30,610 he's done he says because this is 1333 00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:33,190 research and I don't pay for research so 1334 00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:35,710 you know that's another reason why when 1335 00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:38,430 I look at people who have that level of 1336 00:56:43,710 --> 00:56:41,980 integrity in in how they approach this 1337 00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:43,720 they're doing it for the right reasons 1338 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:45,460 we're doing it for the right reasons is 1339 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:48,010 we just want to tell stories is there is 1340 00:56:51,870 --> 00:56:50,170 there money involved this absolutely and 1341 00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:51,880 there needs to be because we wouldn't be 1342 00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:54,550 able to do what we do if there wasn't a 1343 00:57:00,000 --> 00:56:57,460 financial incentive to do it which is 1344 00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:00,010 hey can we borrow money from you know 1345 00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:02,140 these ten individuals to make a film and 1346 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:04,930 the answer is usually yes if you know 1347 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:07,930 you can pay me back so our incentive is 1348 00:57:11,580 --> 00:57:09,970 to find the people who are interested in 1349 00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:11,590 the stories who want to help us tell 1350 00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:14,200 them and then make sure that we we are 1351 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:16,780 able to generate revenue that can pay 1352 00:57:20,430 --> 00:57:19,090 that that money back because as anybody 1353 00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:20,440 who's ever done a film project before 1354 00:57:25,050 --> 00:57:23,800 knows it's not cheap it's an expensive 1355 00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:25,060 endeavor and it's a very time-consuming 1356 00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:28,660 endeavor and all of us have day jobs 1357 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:31,300 this is a nights and weekends venture 1358 00:57:35,730 --> 00:57:33,910 for us so when we get into the myths of 1359 00:57:38,730 --> 00:57:35,740 pre-production there's a lot of time 1360 00:57:41,890 --> 00:57:38,740 spent you know jack and i spend probably 1361 00:57:44,410 --> 00:57:41,900 60 70 hours and phone calls 1362 00:57:46,299 --> 00:57:44,420 in the month before we you know 1363 00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:46,309 determine what the structure the film is 1364 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:47,510 going to be and who's going to be in it 1365 00:57:50,829 --> 00:57:49,369 and there's the production for a couple 1366 00:57:52,569 --> 00:57:50,839 of weeks then post productions for a 1367 00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:52,579 couple of months very time-consuming 1368 00:57:57,099 --> 00:57:54,529 process and we're doing it because we 1369 00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:57,109 think these stories are worth telling so 1370 00:58:00,700 --> 00:57:59,210 the evidence question is yeah I think 1371 00:58:02,829 --> 00:58:00,710 there is evidence out there that 1372 00:58:04,829 --> 00:58:02,839 supports these stories I think that 1373 00:58:06,849 --> 00:58:04,839 people who have are skeptical or 1374 00:58:08,589 --> 00:58:06,859 non-believers I would encourage them to 1375 00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:08,599 spend time with individuals who have had 1376 00:58:14,109 --> 00:58:12,049 these experiences or do a deep deeper 1377 00:58:16,359 --> 00:58:14,119 dive on research that challenges your 1378 00:58:20,589 --> 00:58:16,369 current belief system you'll find things 1379 00:58:22,329 --> 00:58:20,599 that will amaze you and definitely cause 1380 00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:22,339 you to scratch your head and go III 1381 00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:25,390 can't believe that this is a possibility 1382 00:58:30,370 --> 00:58:27,380 mm-hmm 1383 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:30,380 speaking of budget in a long time to do 1384 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:32,450 a film I just want to say to the 1385 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:34,490 listening audience that Randall 1386 00:58:41,349 --> 00:58:37,730 Nickerson his film the aerial phenomenon 1387 00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:41,359 about the aerial school incident will be 1388 00:58:47,289 --> 00:58:44,980 it's all wrapped it's done he's in 1389 00:58:50,710 --> 00:58:47,299 post-production he's actually looking 1390 00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:50,720 right now to get the film out there so 1391 00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:53,390 that should be we're hoping by the end 1392 00:58:55,930 --> 00:58:54,500 of the year I just want to make that 1393 00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,940 quick little announcement because he 1394 00:59:01,539 --> 00:58:57,920 worked I do believe it was eight years 1395 00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:01,549 straight on that film and he was telling 1396 00:59:04,589 --> 00:59:03,380 me about just his editing class were 1397 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:04,599 just out of control 1398 00:59:10,690 --> 00:59:08,210 fact you would mentioned Roger Leir and 1399 00:59:12,099 --> 00:59:10,700 when you mentioned him someone put in 1400 00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:12,109 the chat room real quickly whatever 1401 00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:14,900 happened to Roger Leo's implants did you 1402 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:17,150 ever I mean I have no idea 1403 00:59:21,730 --> 00:59:19,010 have you ever looked at our thought 1404 00:59:25,029 --> 00:59:21,740 about that you know all the implants 1405 00:59:26,829 --> 00:59:25,039 that he extracted you know I don't know 1406 00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,839 if he kept them or he gave them back to 1407 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:29,359 the people he took them out of that's 1408 00:59:32,890 --> 00:59:31,369 actually a really great question yeah I 1409 00:59:37,089 --> 00:59:32,900 mean because if there's really something 1410 00:59:39,490 --> 00:59:37,099 to that it would be really good to know 1411 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:39,500 I do believe at one time someone told me 1412 00:59:46,210 --> 00:59:41,450 that they were in a safe somewhere but I 1413 00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:46,220 had I really have lost lost touch John 1414 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:49,400 you were talking about you know the 1415 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:51,650 credibility of someone someone's agenda 1416 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:55,340 and their credibility how 1417 01:00:00,640 --> 00:59:58,010 how are the the ways that you were 1418 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:00,650 making sure just absolutely certain that 1419 01:00:06,790 --> 01:00:02,930 you had someone that was totally 1420 01:00:08,980 --> 01:00:06,800 credible yeah like talking about the 1421 01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:08,990 folks with whom asked for money is the 1422 01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,420 first question that to me means that 1423 01:00:16,180 --> 01:00:13,280 they're there they're looking to make 1424 01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:16,190 living they're looking for a payday as a 1425 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:18,200 result of telling their story and while 1426 01:00:23,140 --> 01:00:20,450 I do understand that people you know 1427 01:00:25,150 --> 01:00:23,150 there are people who had situations you 1428 01:00:27,970 --> 01:00:25,160 know that as a result of their 1429 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:27,980 experiences that they can no longer work 1430 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:30,410 or function now Stan stay & Romanick is 1431 01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:32,690 a perfect example some people will 1432 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:34,340 ridicule him and say that yeah he's been 1433 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:35,690 living off the glad-handing of other 1434 01:00:40,900 --> 01:00:39,410 people and that he hasn't you know but 1435 01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:40,910 he hadn't had a job and he couldn't hold 1436 01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:44,230 a job and he had was diagnosed with PTSD 1437 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:46,910 so he wasn't able to work and Lisa 1438 01:00:51,070 --> 01:00:49,130 became his primary caregiver you know at 1439 01:00:55,210 --> 01:00:51,080 that time in their lives so this was 1440 01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:55,220 back in 2010-2011 timeframe so you know 1441 01:01:00,430 --> 01:00:58,400 you look at it you look at the whole 1442 01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:00,440 story you look at like somebody like 1443 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:02,030 Stan romanic where you spend the time 1444 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:04,970 with the individual to really understand 1445 01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,250 the the depth and breadth of their 1446 01:01:11,380 --> 01:01:09,200 experience the evidence that they've 1447 01:01:13,690 --> 01:01:11,390 secured the unusual things that have 1448 01:01:15,790 --> 01:01:13,700 happened to them the corroboration of 1449 01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:15,800 some of the experiences with other 1450 01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:17,660 people who were present it's very 1451 01:01:24,340 --> 01:01:20,840 difficult to sit down with an individual 1452 01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:24,350 and say tell us your story and they have 1453 01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:28,960 no frame of they they have no ability to 1454 01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:31,520 bring somebody else you know there's 1455 01:01:34,450 --> 01:01:32,660 nobody else that I've shared this with 1456 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:34,460 I've never talked to so when you hear 1457 01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:36,410 that news like well it's kind of hard to 1458 01:01:41,170 --> 01:01:38,470 really corroborate your story if there's 1459 01:01:42,700 --> 01:01:41,180 nobody else that was a part of that so 1460 01:01:44,590 --> 01:01:42,710 almost everybody that we've talked to 1461 01:01:46,270 --> 01:01:44,600 there were other people either in the 1462 01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:46,280 room or the stories were shared 1463 01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,530 immediately after they happened but 1464 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:50,000 another thing that I would I would say 1465 01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:52,370 the most compelling thing is that we 1466 01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,720 spend a lot of time with the different 1467 01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:55,520 people both on the phone and in person 1468 01:02:01,210 --> 01:01:58,670 and when somebody still tells their 1469 01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:01,220 story again and again and again and it 1470 01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:04,130 never changes usually it's an indication 1471 01:02:07,980 --> 01:02:06,140 that they're telling the truth if you 1472 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:07,990 hear different things that change 1473 01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,730 every time you hear this story there's a 1474 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:11,920 little embellishment here or a forgotten 1475 01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,410 thing there it's a little trigger in the 1476 01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:16,480 back of my mind and I've even called 1477 01:02:19,980 --> 01:02:18,280 people on that you know before some way 1478 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:19,990 yeah when you told us that story you 1479 01:02:24,810 --> 01:02:22,050 mentioned this this this and this and 1480 01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:24,820 we've never had any gotcha moments 1481 01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:25,900 because I think we've done a very good 1482 01:02:30,570 --> 01:02:28,270 job of vetting people but I think you 1483 01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:30,580 know for what we're doing credibility is 1484 01:02:35,070 --> 01:02:32,830 important we have done you know a little 1485 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:35,080 background checks on some of the people 1486 01:02:38,849 --> 01:02:36,970 that we've worked with and we've had you 1487 01:02:42,270 --> 01:02:38,859 know a vetting process that we that 1488 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:42,280 we've gone through but we're not I mean 1489 01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:44,890 our approach with the documentary 1490 01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:49,630 filmmaking is not to validate vindicate 1491 01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:53,339 or prove anything what we want to do is 1492 01:03:00,589 --> 01:02:57,760 share a compendium of stories that are 1493 01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:00,599 being told over and over again by 1494 01:03:05,010 --> 01:03:03,369 hundreds of thousands of people to the 1495 01:03:06,839 --> 01:03:05,020 point where we start to pay attention to 1496 01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:06,849 them a little bit more so that we're not 1497 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:08,560 just relegating those stories to the 1498 01:03:13,890 --> 01:03:11,770 fringes they're part of our our daily 1499 01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:13,900 conversation our daily existence so 1500 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:15,400 we're really hopeful that when this film 1501 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:17,290 comes out that it will stimulate a 1502 01:03:20,790 --> 01:03:19,330 dialogue and we were prepared for that 1503 01:03:22,609 --> 01:03:20,800 dialogue to be both positive and 1504 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:22,619 negative and you know what that's fine 1505 01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:28,930 right right now when I I guess that the 1506 01:03:35,099 --> 01:03:32,530 the part that I would the person that I 1507 01:03:37,950 --> 01:03:35,109 really want to hear from is the one that 1508 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:37,960 doesn't want to talk you know that that 1509 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:40,210 person to me as soon as them and says 1510 01:03:42,690 --> 01:03:41,410 well I don't want anything to do with 1511 01:03:43,950 --> 01:03:42,700 this I don't want you know I don't want 1512 01:03:47,460 --> 01:03:43,960 to talk about it 1513 01:03:49,530 --> 01:03:47,470 and and unfortunately it doesn't work 1514 01:03:52,890 --> 01:03:49,540 like that you know I mean what do you 1515 01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:52,900 think is compelling these people to 1516 01:03:59,880 --> 01:03:55,900 actually you know come forward and and 1517 01:04:02,400 --> 01:03:59,890 talk publicly like they are either one 1518 01:04:03,810 --> 01:04:02,410 of you can take that of course well I 1519 01:04:05,849 --> 01:04:03,820 think they get to a point where they 1520 01:04:08,700 --> 01:04:05,859 realize it's one one of a couple of 1521 01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:08,710 things they can realize that it's 1522 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:10,619 important for other people to know and 1523 01:04:14,339 --> 01:04:13,210 they're gonna they're going to be open 1524 01:04:15,630 --> 01:04:14,349 about it because they can help other 1525 01:04:17,339 --> 01:04:15,640 people who have been through what 1526 01:04:20,910 --> 01:04:17,349 they're going through and a lot of this 1527 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:20,920 happens when you know people congregate 1528 01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:21,770 towards their own 1529 01:04:27,070 --> 01:04:23,480 so they can go to a conference or 1530 01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:27,080 they'll go to a meeting and they'll meet 1531 01:04:30,490 --> 01:04:29,000 other people other like people who have 1532 01:04:32,380 --> 01:04:30,500 had these experiences and they realize 1533 01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:32,390 how important it is to share their 1534 01:04:37,300 --> 01:04:35,510 experiences there's nothing good comes 1535 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:37,310 from keeping things inside and I think 1536 01:04:42,310 --> 01:04:40,490 that even with you know when it comes to 1537 01:04:45,790 --> 01:04:42,320 post-traumatic stress disorder in 1538 01:04:47,740 --> 01:04:45,800 general you know we see that we see 1539 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:47,750 those it's good to share to share your 1540 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:49,610 feelings to share your emotions to Bay 1541 01:04:54,970 --> 01:04:52,250 have people around who understand and 1542 01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:54,980 you can talk to about it whether it's a 1543 01:04:59,470 --> 01:04:57,440 trauma that you suffered in a war or a 1544 01:05:01,360 --> 01:04:59,480 personal trauma in life or something 1545 01:05:05,980 --> 01:05:01,370 like an abduction experience it's all 1546 01:05:09,070 --> 01:05:05,990 the same to the human physiology so I 1547 01:05:10,420 --> 01:05:09,080 think that is one of the reasons where 1548 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:10,430 they find it and there's a one of 1549 01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:12,050 another reason to which I find 1550 01:05:15,580 --> 01:05:13,310 interesting is they finally get fed up 1551 01:05:18,250 --> 01:05:15,590 we've seen this and we see this a lot of 1552 01:05:19,300 --> 01:05:18,260 times with older people where they're 1553 01:05:21,310 --> 01:05:19,310 just like you know what I've been 1554 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:21,320 dealing with this for so long and I'm 1555 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,690 tired of it and I don't care anymore 1556 01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:27,200 and I want to tell people it takes it is 1557 01:05:34,260 --> 01:05:31,190 it takes a lot out of a human being to 1558 01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:34,270 keep something inside to keep a secret 1559 01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:37,310 and that could be a we've leased tonight 1560 01:05:41,020 --> 01:05:38,480 with the military people we've 1561 01:05:43,450 --> 01:05:41,030 interviewed who how to keep quiet about 1562 01:05:45,070 --> 01:05:43,460 the things they saw and finally they're 1563 01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:45,080 in their 70s and 80s now they're like 1564 01:05:50,110 --> 01:05:48,260 you know what screw that I'm telling my 1565 01:05:52,810 --> 01:05:50,120 story they can kill me now I don't care 1566 01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:52,820 I'm 85 what are they gonna do to me yeah 1567 01:05:57,850 --> 01:05:54,950 we've heard that several times from 1568 01:05:59,860 --> 01:05:57,860 people face to face talking to people so 1569 01:06:02,440 --> 01:05:59,870 I think that's that those are the things 1570 01:06:03,850 --> 01:06:02,450 I can a couple of the reasons why people 1571 01:06:05,290 --> 01:06:03,860 finally come forward and say you know 1572 01:06:09,010 --> 01:06:05,300 what I need to tell my story 1573 01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:09,020 I agree iton I've seen that a number of 1574 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:11,570 times in the UFO field where someone 1575 01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:14,210 will say the heck with it you know this 1576 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:16,610 what are they gonna do type of thing and 1577 01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:19,010 that's why I think the deathbed 1578 01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:23,060 confessions in Roswell to me that's some 1579 01:06:30,460 --> 01:06:27,260 of the most compelling I guess you'd 1580 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:30,470 call it evidence of the witnesses and 1581 01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:32,690 their deathbed confessions I mean they 1582 01:06:39,310 --> 01:06:34,970 have nothing to lose at that point and 1583 01:06:42,790 --> 01:06:39,320 why bring it up it's always you know 1584 01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:42,800 that's always a really compelling to me 1585 01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:45,110 I think what I'm gonna do at this point 1586 01:06:51,010 --> 01:06:47,690 is open the lines we have a new phone 1587 01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:51,020 number we also have a call screener race 1588 01:06:57,310 --> 01:06:53,330 is helping us out and that phone number 1589 01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:57,320 is eight five five four seven two five 1590 01:07:01,480 --> 01:06:59,720 four eight three I'm going to put that 1591 01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:01,490 up on the screen for the people over in 1592 01:07:09,010 --> 01:07:07,790 YouTube as well so so the part there's a 1593 01:07:11,950 --> 01:07:09,020 couple of things I wanted to touch on 1594 01:07:16,660 --> 01:07:11,960 and one of them is regression you know 1595 01:07:18,430 --> 01:07:16,670 we both talked about Yvonne Smith but 1596 01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:18,440 what are your thoughts on regression in 1597 01:07:26,490 --> 01:07:23,410 general either one you can take that 1598 01:07:30,010 --> 01:07:26,500 yeah I think it's something that is 1599 01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:30,020 worthy of exploration there is a 1600 01:07:36,130 --> 01:07:33,830 metaphysical consciousness element to 1601 01:07:38,620 --> 01:07:36,140 this that in this again whole nother 1602 01:07:40,540 --> 01:07:38,630 show if you want to get into the whole 1603 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:40,550 idea of consciousness and multi 1604 01:07:44,530 --> 01:07:42,590 dimensions and things of that nature 1605 01:07:46,750 --> 01:07:44,540 that you know just because we don't 1606 01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:46,760 comprehend it or understand it doesn't 1607 01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:48,370 mean that that's that it doesn't exist 1608 01:07:53,530 --> 01:07:51,230 you know we've this is a discussion that 1609 01:07:55,390 --> 01:07:53,540 we have over and over again is that 50 1610 01:07:59,560 --> 01:07:55,400 years from now people will be laughing 1611 01:08:02,860 --> 01:07:59,570 at us for what we didn't believe so 1612 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:02,870 there's a theme in the film that is the 1613 01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:05,170 circle's essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson 1614 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:08,240 that whenever you expand knowledge 1615 01:08:12,970 --> 01:08:10,490 whenever the circle gets a little bit 1616 01:08:15,220 --> 01:08:12,980 wider based on discovery or learning 1617 01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:15,230 something new it opens up many more 1618 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:17,870 questions so you've never really solved 1619 01:08:22,570 --> 01:08:19,610 anything you're just continuing to 1620 01:08:26,350 --> 01:08:22,580 expand the evolution of thought and 1621 01:08:28,330 --> 01:08:26,360 that's really I mean if you want to say 1622 01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:28,340 that's what we're we're doing that's 1623 01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:30,950 what we're doing we're trying to expand 1624 01:08:35,610 --> 01:08:32,480 the evolution of thought from something 1625 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:35,620 that is a earthbound construct or a a 1626 01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,090 societal construct or a religious 1627 01:08:42,310 --> 01:08:40,400 construct and say think outside of that 1628 01:08:44,440 --> 01:08:42,320 construct in a different way give 1629 01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:44,450 yourself the opportunity to look at it a 1630 01:08:48,879 --> 01:08:46,370 little bit differently and I think that 1631 01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:48,889 that you you may see something 1632 01:08:56,740 --> 01:08:51,290 that you weren't looking for but has a 1633 01:08:58,870 --> 01:08:56,750 profound impact on you and I would say I 1634 01:09:00,640 --> 01:08:58,880 would also add real quick if I can about 1635 01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:00,650 as far as regression goes what we've 1636 01:09:05,649 --> 01:09:03,409 learned is you know when something 1637 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:05,659 extremely traumatic happens to someone 1638 01:09:11,169 --> 01:09:08,290 the defense mechanism of the body is to 1639 01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:11,179 forget about it is to not remember it is 1640 01:09:18,849 --> 01:09:15,799 right to bury bury it very deep and in 1641 01:09:20,649 --> 01:09:18,859 the subconsciousness so when and you 1642 01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:20,659 know basically regression is pulling 1643 01:09:26,649 --> 01:09:23,089 that out so there it makes sense that 1644 01:09:28,809 --> 01:09:26,659 people would sometimes not consciously 1645 01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,819 remember some of these horrible things 1646 01:09:32,019 --> 01:09:30,560 that happen to them and then when 1647 01:09:35,559 --> 01:09:32,029 they're relaxed and they go into these 1648 01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:35,569 states of with consciousness if you will 1649 01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:37,670 that they're able to recall some of 1650 01:09:41,379 --> 01:09:39,409 these memories you know regression 1651 01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:41,389 therapy is it's the truth be told it is 1652 01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:42,980 it's controversial some people think 1653 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:45,920 that it's too suggestive but we've dealt 1654 01:09:51,099 --> 01:09:49,730 with strong professionals people who are 1655 01:09:53,109 --> 01:09:51,109 really professional about the way they 1656 01:09:55,930 --> 01:09:53,119 go about the way they do things and they 1657 01:09:57,850 --> 01:09:55,940 take a lot of care and a lot of time to 1658 01:09:59,290 --> 01:09:57,860 make sure that they do it right and that 1659 01:10:00,700 --> 01:09:59,300 the people that they're helping and 1660 01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:00,710 they're doing it they're doing these 1661 01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,510 regressions with they're helping them in 1662 01:10:06,669 --> 01:10:05,360 a positive way so but there will always 1663 01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:06,679 be people who say you know what 1664 01:10:11,890 --> 01:10:10,040 regression therapy's absurd and you know 1665 01:10:15,399 --> 01:10:11,900 that that's there's nothing we can do to 1666 01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:15,409 change that yeah I'm wondering I'm 1667 01:10:19,959 --> 01:10:17,480 wondering what the science is on that I 1668 01:10:23,260 --> 01:10:19,969 mean you know you don't really hear much 1669 01:10:25,629 --> 01:10:23,270 about it you know but do you know 1670 01:10:27,879 --> 01:10:25,639 anything that part you know any part of 1671 01:10:29,950 --> 01:10:27,889 it as far as that goes 1672 01:10:34,540 --> 01:10:29,960 or do you think it's still there is no 1673 01:10:36,910 --> 01:10:34,550 science to it I think it there with 1674 01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:36,920 something as complex as consciousness 1675 01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:38,810 and subconsciousness I don't know if it 1676 01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:43,040 can be a finite thing so it's more like 1677 01:10:47,649 --> 01:10:44,719 I said it's more a matter of what we 1678 01:10:50,109 --> 01:10:47,659 don't know we shouldn't discard so the 1679 01:10:52,350 --> 01:10:50,119 idea that we're exploring something that 1680 01:10:55,090 --> 01:10:52,360 so I guess my point would be is that 1681 01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,100 people like well you know hypnotherapy 1682 01:10:57,850 --> 01:10:56,480 people a lot of people go through 1683 01:10:59,320 --> 01:10:57,860 hypnosis to help them deal with 1684 01:11:01,570 --> 01:10:59,330 something profound that's happened in 1685 01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:01,580 their life and that's acceptable so if 1686 01:11:04,850 --> 01:11:02,820 someone's dealing with a trauma 1687 01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:04,860 from you know their childhood where they 1688 01:11:11,060 --> 01:11:07,860 may have been abused by a relative or a 1689 01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:11,070 clergy member or a teacher and then all 1690 01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:12,120 of a sudden they go through this process 1691 01:11:16,940 --> 01:11:15,120 we kind of applaud that that that 1692 01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:16,950 process is there to help people deal 1693 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:19,620 with the trauma I would say the same 1694 01:11:23,810 --> 01:11:21,090 thing apply why is this any different 1695 01:11:25,730 --> 01:11:23,820 than that why would we look at this any 1696 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:25,740 differently and say well just because 1697 01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:28,530 it's focuses on the subjects of UFO and 1698 01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:31,170 abductions in hybridization and children 1699 01:11:34,580 --> 01:11:33,150 well that's a little bit too far that's 1700 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:34,590 a little bit too much for me to handle 1701 01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:37,770 well if if the same process is being 1702 01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:39,990 used to help people in other areas of 1703 01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,320 their lives of lives why would they it 1704 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:45,120 makes perfect sense to me that we would 1705 01:11:49,100 --> 01:11:46,650 use the same sort of tools and 1706 01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:49,110 techniques to help people connect with 1707 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:53,880 these amazing and sometimes horrific 1708 01:11:59,240 --> 01:11:56,610 experiences traumatic experiences I'm 1709 01:12:01,040 --> 01:11:59,250 glad you mentioned horrific because I do 1710 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:01,050 want to talk about that at some point 1711 01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:06,690 but I spoke with Travis Walton about he 1712 01:12:10,700 --> 01:12:09,240 had a regression done you know way back 1713 01:12:14,180 --> 01:12:10,710 and he said he'll never do it again 1714 01:12:17,630 --> 01:12:14,190 never some people have a lot of fear of 1715 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:17,640 that because they they like the way it 1716 01:12:23,150 --> 01:12:20,370 is tucked away and they don't want to 1717 01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:23,160 know more do you find that with some of 1718 01:12:28,220 --> 01:12:26,250 the people you've talked with or do it 1719 01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:28,230 seems like that the people that were on 1720 01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:30,120 the show they all were very aware of 1721 01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:33,390 what was going on yeah I think it takes 1722 01:12:37,340 --> 01:12:36,000 courage to do that yes mm-hmm 1723 01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:37,350 yeah I mean especially when he finds 1724 01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:39,090 like look once the genies out of the 1725 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:41,820 bottle it's not going back in I wouldn't 1726 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:45,210 think twice about it you know and not 1727 01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:46,650 everybody that we talked to had been 1728 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:48,450 regressed you know some of the some of 1729 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:50,250 the people Marin Mastan in particular 1730 01:12:54,230 --> 01:12:52,290 she said I'm thinking about it but I 1731 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:54,240 haven't really done it yet because I 1732 01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:57,090 don't know what I'm gonna find out but 1733 01:13:00,500 --> 01:12:58,770 she's having you know a lot of 1734 01:13:03,110 --> 01:13:00,510 connections to things that have happened 1735 01:13:04,700 --> 01:13:03,120 to her in her past and trigger events 1736 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:04,710 and that's one of the things that we 1737 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:06,690 think you know very well may happen with 1738 01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:09,090 people who see this film because when we 1739 01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:10,230 screened it at the Pasadena 1740 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:12,420 International Film Festival and some of 1741 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:14,130 the the people who've screened it to do 1742 01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:15,090 interviews with us 1743 01:13:17,779 --> 01:13:16,409 they said that it 1744 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:17,789 triggered something that happened to 1745 01:13:21,979 --> 01:13:20,010 them they made it made a connection to 1746 01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:21,989 something that they experienced that 1747 01:13:26,270 --> 01:13:24,360 they had buried and that you know there 1748 01:13:28,459 --> 01:13:26,280 was a half a dozen people in the theater 1749 01:13:31,069 --> 01:13:28,469 that night that were shaking at the end 1750 01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:31,079 of the film because they were shocked by 1751 01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:33,840 what it triggered you know with their 1752 01:13:37,429 --> 01:13:36,030 own personal experiences so you know 1753 01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:37,439 anybody who's ever had a miscarriage 1754 01:13:41,569 --> 01:13:39,659 anybody who's ever you know had an 1755 01:13:43,879 --> 01:13:41,579 abortion and knows what that sense of 1756 01:13:47,989 --> 01:13:43,889 loss is and they sit there and watch 1757 01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:47,999 this this these people talk about having 1758 01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:49,739 a child taken away from them there's 1759 01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:51,780 there's empathy there they can connect 1760 01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:53,400 to that females can't connect to that 1761 01:13:57,949 --> 01:13:56,130 energy in ways that men never will and 1762 01:14:00,109 --> 01:13:57,959 you know we've had a couple of people 1763 01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:00,119 say to us more than a couple say that I 1764 01:14:04,909 --> 01:14:02,369 am now questioning what happened to me 1765 01:14:07,009 --> 01:14:04,919 at this point in my life because of what 1766 01:14:10,189 --> 01:14:07,019 I have been exposed to in the film I 1767 01:14:11,929 --> 01:14:10,199 have now had experiences or remembering 1768 01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,939 things that happened to me when I was 1769 01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:14,159 much younger and you know the part of 1770 01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:16,380 that is that there like I had never ever 1771 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:18,150 thought about this as something that 1772 01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:20,130 would apply to me but now I can't help 1773 01:14:26,029 --> 01:14:23,369 but think about it well Wow 1774 01:14:30,649 --> 01:14:26,039 the phone lines are open and that 1775 01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:30,659 numbers 85kg are a live or that if you'd 1776 01:14:35,089 --> 01:14:32,610 like to dial numbers that's eight five 1777 01:14:38,060 --> 01:14:35,099 five four seven two five four eight 1778 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:38,070 three and the lines open and we do have 1779 01:14:42,529 --> 01:14:40,050 someone's screening the calls feel free 1780 01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:42,539 to call in you mentioned the word 1781 01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,729 horrific and I want to talk about that 1782 01:14:48,830 --> 01:14:46,800 and then of course you know before the 1783 01:14:51,919 --> 01:14:48,840 end of the show I want to talk about the 1784 01:14:54,739 --> 01:14:51,929 possible seating and what your thoughts 1785 01:14:58,969 --> 01:14:54,749 were on that and of course that is the 1786 01:15:02,270 --> 01:14:58,979 name of your film horrific some people 1787 01:15:04,060 --> 01:15:02,280 are saying it's an OK experience some 1788 01:15:08,799 --> 01:15:04,070 people are saying it's horrific 1789 01:15:11,299 --> 01:15:08,809 and some people are claiming they see 1790 01:15:14,330 --> 01:15:11,309 like on the cover of communion by the 1791 01:15:16,250 --> 01:15:14,340 way the Whitley Strieber book so many 1792 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:16,260 people have said on this show that that 1793 01:15:23,209 --> 01:15:19,530 picture on that book triggered something 1794 01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:23,219 for them you know and I bet I've had 10 1795 01:15:30,209 --> 01:15:24,840 people on the show say something about 1796 01:15:33,390 --> 01:15:30,219 that book so if people are saying 1797 01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:33,400 like I saw on your on your movie that 1798 01:15:39,390 --> 01:15:37,360 some people are saying that they're you 1799 01:15:42,270 --> 01:15:39,400 know there's reptilians some people are 1800 01:15:43,860 --> 01:15:42,280 saying the greys but let's let's get 1801 01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:43,870 into that in a minute right now we do 1802 01:15:49,950 --> 01:15:47,080 have we do have someone on the line and 1803 01:15:51,060 --> 01:15:49,960 we have Jeremy he's calling from 1804 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:51,070 Oklahoma 1805 01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:55,090 welcome to the show Jeremy hey what's 1806 01:15:58,170 --> 01:15:55,810 going on guys 1807 01:16:04,229 --> 01:15:58,180 good how you doing do you have a 1808 01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:04,239 question tonight or guess yeah I growed 1809 01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:06,489 up in a little town outside of Silver 1810 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:09,820 City called Fort bird and Isis have 1811 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:11,770 these dreams that I was floating around 1812 01:16:16,830 --> 01:16:14,410 the room and they'd always let me go see 1813 01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:16,840 my family and go out the window and 1814 01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:18,540 that's always been I can't remember but 1815 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:21,520 and I've been into this for about 10 15 1816 01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:24,370 years now and I'm like I like y'all Joe 1817 01:16:28,860 --> 01:16:25,810 and I just want to tell y'all I liked it 1818 01:16:31,950 --> 01:16:28,870 well thank you thanks to the call oh 1819 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:31,960 that's that's interesting Rob alright 1820 01:16:40,229 --> 01:16:37,690 Jeremy yeah take care all right so right 1821 01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:40,239 before Jeremy was calling I was mumbling 1822 01:16:46,170 --> 01:16:44,290 something just went to you we have 1823 01:16:47,850 --> 01:16:46,180 another call again why not good I want 1824 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:47,860 to mention I can't make a comment about 1825 01:16:51,870 --> 01:16:49,930 what Jeremy said though better the fact 1826 01:16:54,900 --> 01:16:51,880 that he was willing to pick up the phone 1827 01:16:58,620 --> 01:16:54,910 and make that call and share his story 1828 01:17:01,220 --> 01:16:58,630 is a big deal no it might not seem like 1829 01:17:04,410 --> 01:17:01,230 it's the you know the keys to the 1830 01:17:06,750 --> 01:17:04,420 kingdom and what it all means and now we 1831 01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:06,760 know thanks to Jeremy's call but it's an 1832 01:17:11,790 --> 01:17:09,520 indication that people are saying I had 1833 01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,800 I had an experience and I'm gonna I'm 1834 01:17:16,260 --> 01:17:13,840 gonna bring it up because what he shared 1835 01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:16,270 is something that we've heard numerous 1836 01:17:20,729 --> 01:17:19,030 times before from people both that we've 1837 01:17:22,979 --> 01:17:20,739 interviewed face to face but more so 1838 01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:22,989 people have reached out to us through 1839 01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:26,710 Facebook in direct messages and email so 1840 01:17:31,709 --> 01:17:29,920 that that is I I applaud him for picking 1841 01:17:32,790 --> 01:17:31,719 up the phone making that call and saying 1842 01:17:35,220 --> 01:17:32,800 I'm you know I appreciate what you guys 1843 01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:35,230 are doing on the on the radio show 1844 01:17:37,709 --> 01:17:37,150 because it helps people and that's a 1845 01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:37,719 good thing 1846 01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:41,830 well yeah that is I've actually heard 1847 01:17:45,630 --> 01:17:44,080 people say that it's like an out of 1848 01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:45,640 experience which i think is really 1849 01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:49,030 fascinating as well we have Eric calling 1850 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:52,270 from Boston Eric you're on the air you 1851 01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:53,770 have a question for our guests welcome 1852 01:18:01,170 --> 01:17:57,010 to the show up he is gone 1853 01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:01,180 okay maybe he'll call back in that you 1854 01:18:09,540 --> 01:18:04,210 know I mean that is that is when a 1855 01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:09,550 situation like that happens it just made 1856 01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:11,170 it must be hard to figure out what's 1857 01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:13,320 going on when you wake up the next day 1858 01:18:17,670 --> 01:18:15,490 okay so we're talking about the 1859 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:17,680 different experiences that people are 1860 01:18:24,540 --> 01:18:20,410 claiming to have and some of them are 1861 01:18:28,740 --> 01:18:24,550 really rough a lot of times that people 1862 01:18:30,750 --> 01:18:28,750 have talked about having telepathy with 1863 01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:30,760 whatever these beings are and you know 1864 01:18:34,410 --> 01:18:32,500 there's never any words spoken it's just 1865 01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:34,420 like thoughts okay you're going to be 1866 01:18:40,410 --> 01:18:36,400 okay you're gonna get through this or 1867 01:18:42,540 --> 01:18:40,420 you know calming them down and and so 1868 01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:42,550 many things that people talk about are 1869 01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:46,000 similar you hear people talking about 1870 01:18:53,190 --> 01:18:50,320 that and the fact that they can't move 1871 01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:53,200 at all of course a lot of people will go 1872 01:18:59,310 --> 01:18:55,600 back and say that's sleep paralysis and 1873 01:19:01,410 --> 01:18:59,320 all that but I don't know anyway what 1874 01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:01,420 are your thoughts on on on that in 1875 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:05,650 particular the telepathy part of it well 1876 01:19:11,610 --> 01:19:08,890 I think it's in almost every case it's 1877 01:19:13,620 --> 01:19:11,620 always telepathic communication I don't 1878 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:13,630 think I remember I'd have to think hard 1879 01:19:19,470 --> 01:19:17,650 to remember a case where it wasn't when 1880 01:19:22,410 --> 01:19:19,480 someone's being abducted it always seems 1881 01:19:24,180 --> 01:19:22,420 to be a telepathic kind of communication 1882 01:19:25,950 --> 01:19:24,190 that's occurring and you're right they 1883 01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:25,960 say things like relax it's going to be 1884 01:19:30,060 --> 01:19:27,490 okay it's like they're calming them down 1885 01:19:32,850 --> 01:19:30,070 and there's a bit of what I would say is 1886 01:19:34,980 --> 01:19:32,860 this telepathic it's mind control that's 1887 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:34,990 how they're keeping people calm they're 1888 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:37,810 also keeping them in some way sedated 1889 01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:39,850 when a lot of people can't move at all 1890 01:19:46,170 --> 01:19:43,600 cannot move the totally frozen cannot 1891 01:19:48,930 --> 01:19:46,180 move a finger so obviously there's a 1892 01:19:53,790 --> 01:19:48,940 technology perhaps involved but there's 1893 01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:53,800 also a telepathic ability on the part of 1894 01:20:00,180 --> 01:19:57,610 these ETS that we they obviously could 1895 01:20:01,410 --> 01:20:00,190 roll us to a certain extent I know 1896 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:01,420 people don't want to hear that because 1897 01:20:05,790 --> 01:20:03,210 it is it's that's horrifying it's scary 1898 01:20:07,919 --> 01:20:05,800 but that's what we hear we hear that and 1899 01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:07,929 and in every all these cases where 1900 01:20:11,310 --> 01:20:09,730 people as well I was you know I was I 1901 01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:11,320 was scared but they told me to calm down 1902 01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:13,449 and then all of a sudden they looked me 1903 01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:15,130 in the eye they tapped me on the 1904 01:20:21,419 --> 01:20:18,790 forehead and I felt calm hmm heard that 1905 01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:21,429 more than once so they have some kind of 1906 01:20:25,709 --> 01:20:24,250 control and this could be an evolutional 1907 01:20:26,820 --> 01:20:25,719 thing where they're certainly more 1908 01:20:29,310 --> 01:20:26,830 evolved than we are they're more 1909 01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:29,320 certainly technology technologically 1910 01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:32,710 advanced too so yeah yeah so many so 1911 01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:35,230 many questions Erik is back with us 1912 01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:38,230 Erik you're on the air from Boston how 1913 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:42,310 are you welcome to the show hi how you 1914 01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:45,730 doing together this is Erik Boston I'm 1915 01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:50,409 actually the the state director from 1916 01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:53,380 MUFON and Massachusetts Oh welcome to 1917 01:21:00,330 --> 01:20:57,250 the show I think yeah thank you I think 1918 01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:00,340 you noticed my comment in the in the 1919 01:21:09,959 --> 01:21:05,920 text on the side I'm curious about the 1920 01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:09,969 fact that at one time I saw regarding 1921 01:21:17,609 --> 01:21:14,560 dr. Roger Leir there was a supposed and 1922 01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:17,619 I even saw it on video I saw images of 1923 01:21:24,990 --> 01:21:20,560 it a superconductor material that was 1924 01:21:27,780 --> 01:21:25,000 supposedly stolen by a Roswell soldier 1925 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:27,790 someone stuck it in his pocket and this 1926 01:21:35,310 --> 01:21:32,650 got to Roger Leir and I know I saw video 1927 01:21:39,149 --> 01:21:35,320 or photographs of some kind of 1928 01:21:42,510 --> 01:21:39,159 superconducting material and the story I 1929 01:21:46,379 --> 01:21:42,520 remember the next thing I heard was the 1930 01:21:50,270 --> 01:21:46,389 he or someone was going to present it at 1931 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:50,280 a conference maybe in California and 1932 01:21:57,140 --> 01:21:54,250 someone was thrown in a van and driven 1933 01:22:03,000 --> 01:21:57,150 like around the city for like 12 hours 1934 01:22:06,300 --> 01:22:03,010 being told there is no material there is 1935 01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:06,310 no material it will not be shown at a 1936 01:22:11,340 --> 01:22:09,520 conference and sure enough the whole 1937 01:22:13,410 --> 01:22:11,350 story just just 1938 01:22:16,650 --> 01:22:13,420 period I never heard another thing I'm 1939 01:22:18,390 --> 01:22:16,660 wondering if you or the the guests and I 1940 01:22:20,820 --> 01:22:18,400 really like the guests these are two 1941 01:22:21,690 --> 01:22:20,830 serious guys I can tell Madame 1942 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:21,700 Carrington 1943 01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:24,250 I appreciate let me just jump in real 1944 01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:26,580 quickly Eric I will tell you that anyone 1945 01:22:32,610 --> 01:22:28,930 listening to the show is welcome to 1946 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:32,620 email me at Martin at podcast UFO comm 1947 01:22:36,570 --> 01:22:34,330 if you have any of that information if 1948 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:36,580 neither one of our guests have ever 1949 01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:39,370 heard anything about that so I will 1950 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:41,620 forward that on Eric if you would please 1951 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:43,810 take down that email address as well and 1952 01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:47,530 email me that's Martin at podcast UFO 1953 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:50,590 comm so any thoughts on that from either 1954 01:22:56,700 --> 01:22:53,530 one of you have you ever heard any part 1955 01:22:58,920 --> 01:22:56,710 of that story I mean we've heard so many 1956 01:23:02,250 --> 01:22:58,930 different things that are very similar 1957 01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,260 to that I there I mean even in Stan 1958 01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:05,520 Roman X case he had a biological 1959 01:23:12,450 --> 01:23:08,950 tracking or implant that was removed 1960 01:23:14,370 --> 01:23:12,460 from his body and it was confiscated so 1961 01:23:17,310 --> 01:23:14,380 you know Stan tells the story he has 1962 01:23:19,140 --> 01:23:17,320 photographs of it he has documented the 1963 01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:19,150 photos of the journey that this one took 1964 01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:20,530 through his body where it started in his 1965 01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:22,780 chest and went over to his side 1966 01:23:28,050 --> 01:23:26,470 and and then it disappears there are 1967 01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:28,060 people that were involved in his case 1968 01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:31,210 specifically doing a lab work and had 1969 01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:33,190 things you know kind of I want to say 1970 01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:35,970 vanish but they said that they were 1971 01:23:40,710 --> 01:23:39,280 overwhelmed by what they were uncovering 1972 01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:40,720 to the point where they felt like you 1973 01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:42,160 know what it's best that I don't get 1974 01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:44,980 involved at this so you know what does 1975 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:48,310 that mean you know you know in one of 1976 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:49,450 the things that we've learned on this 1977 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:51,370 journey is that we've spoken to people 1978 01:23:57,090 --> 01:23:53,370 who I would consider to be very 1979 01:23:59,340 --> 01:23:57,100 reputable people connected to I would 1980 01:24:00,840 --> 01:23:59,350 say directly to the military but dotted 1981 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:00,850 line and connected to the military and 1982 01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:03,730 have shared things with us I'm thinking 1983 01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:05,260 of one person in particular where we 1984 01:24:08,490 --> 01:24:06,700 were asking questions and thought we 1985 01:24:11,820 --> 01:24:08,500 were like this close to getting a 1986 01:24:14,010 --> 01:24:11,830 whistleblower moment and he said I need 1987 01:24:17,190 --> 01:24:14,020 to check with my colleagues and he named 1988 01:24:20,220 --> 01:24:17,200 who they were in to me in that moment I 1989 01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:20,230 was like that's a verification because 1990 01:24:25,459 --> 01:24:22,900 the people he named were people that you 1991 01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:25,469 would be like well if they were involved 1992 01:24:30,659 --> 01:24:28,719 something's up here so you know but the 1993 01:24:34,379 --> 01:24:30,669 feedback that I got you know the 1994 01:24:36,299 --> 01:24:34,389 follow-up from that was this is probably 1995 01:24:39,569 --> 01:24:36,309 not the right forum for this to be 1996 01:24:41,339 --> 01:24:39,579 discussed and so you know we've we've 1997 01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:41,349 had things like that happen again we're 1998 01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:44,169 not like deep dive we're not looking to 1999 01:24:48,419 --> 01:24:46,719 disrupt the government and you know get 2000 01:24:49,709 --> 01:24:48,429 a bullet in our back that's definitely 2001 01:24:51,809 --> 01:24:49,719 not something that we're trying to do or 2002 01:24:54,539 --> 01:24:51,819 just trying to educate people so we're 2003 01:24:56,129 --> 01:24:54,549 not on this this mission to prove what's 2004 01:24:57,929 --> 01:24:56,139 right and what's wrong and who's lying 2005 01:24:59,549 --> 01:24:57,939 and who's not you know we're on a 2006 01:25:02,639 --> 01:24:59,559 mission really to help people feel more 2007 01:25:04,619 --> 01:25:02,649 comfortable with you know the fact that 2008 01:25:07,619 --> 01:25:04,629 this might be real but you know the 2009 01:25:09,629 --> 01:25:07,629 story that he shares is not an uncommon 2010 01:25:12,779 --> 01:25:09,639 thing I don't know any specifics on on 2011 01:25:15,509 --> 01:25:12,789 that story in particular but you know 2012 01:25:17,699 --> 01:25:15,519 anybody that wants to do research just 2013 01:25:19,529 --> 01:25:17,709 you know just google that and you'll 2014 01:25:22,979 --> 01:25:19,539 probably find tons of information about 2015 01:25:24,659 --> 01:25:22,989 it right right yeah yeah and I just add 2016 01:25:26,939 --> 01:25:24,669 real quick and that's why we talk about 2017 01:25:31,109 --> 01:25:26,949 evidence or lack thereof I mean you know 2018 01:25:33,029 --> 01:25:31,119 we had there's that factor of maybe all 2019 01:25:34,919 --> 01:25:33,039 the good evidence was confiscated maybe 2020 01:25:38,729 --> 01:25:34,929 when you know we always we always hear 2021 01:25:40,859 --> 01:25:38,739 stories about people who either take 2022 01:25:43,169 --> 01:25:40,869 some phenomenal photographs of something 2023 01:25:45,029 --> 01:25:43,179 or you know UFOs or they have an 2024 01:25:47,069 --> 01:25:45,039 experience and they're an eyewitness and 2025 01:25:50,250 --> 01:25:47,079 the next the next day they get visited 2026 01:25:51,899 --> 01:25:50,260 by two men in black right these two guys 2027 01:25:53,879 --> 01:25:51,909 that look like they're with the FBI or 2028 01:25:55,739 --> 01:25:53,889 the NSA or they're scary and they're not 2029 01:25:57,929 --> 01:25:55,749 very nice people and they're like they 2030 01:26:00,449 --> 01:25:57,939 talk to them and they say things to them 2031 01:26:02,819 --> 01:26:00,459 to the effect of yeah you didn't see 2032 01:26:04,859 --> 01:26:02,829 anything and you know like we talked 2033 01:26:06,569 --> 01:26:04,869 about the Roswell people so you know 2034 01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:06,579 where is the evidence you know well I 2035 01:26:09,809 --> 01:26:08,409 would say that there is evidence and 2036 01:26:12,599 --> 01:26:09,819 then I would say that a lot some of that 2037 01:26:15,029 --> 01:26:12,609 evidence is being kept a lot of that 2038 01:26:18,179 --> 01:26:15,039 evidence is being kept from us if our 2039 01:26:20,579 --> 01:26:18,189 government and the military and I would 2040 01:26:22,829 --> 01:26:20,589 I would add the ETS into that equation 2041 01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:22,839 if they don't want us to know we will 2042 01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:26,409 not know yeah Eric thanks so much for 2043 01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:27,760 the call sorry you couldn't answer that 2044 01:26:34,619 --> 01:26:30,760 directly but do you tell me and I'll 2045 01:26:38,379 --> 01:26:34,629 stay in touch yeah just one last comment 2046 01:26:40,899 --> 01:26:38,389 to take away from all that just struck 2047 01:26:43,299 --> 01:26:40,909 me as if the story was real and it 2048 01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:43,309 really sounded real to me that the 2049 01:26:50,049 --> 01:26:46,369 takeaway was that physical evidence 2050 01:26:51,969 --> 01:26:50,059 cannot exist that's the rule I get the 2051 01:26:55,299 --> 01:26:51,979 feeling that that's the rule from the 2052 01:26:59,409 --> 01:26:55,309 government or whoever controls the the 2053 01:27:02,770 --> 01:26:59,419 situation that that physical evidence 2054 01:27:04,779 --> 01:27:02,780 can't like a picture now I get tons of 2055 01:27:07,779 --> 01:27:04,789 pictures I've got to analyze and stuff 2056 01:27:11,589 --> 01:27:07,789 and a picture can always be faked they 2057 01:27:14,649 --> 01:27:11,599 can say any picture is faked but when it 2058 01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:14,659 comes to physical evidence the rule is 2059 01:27:20,049 --> 01:27:17,090 that can exist and if you come up with 2060 01:27:24,129 --> 01:27:20,059 physical evidence they step in and they 2061 01:27:26,679 --> 01:27:24,139 they quell the story I know actually I 2062 01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:26,689 do know a couple of cases like that race 2063 01:27:32,290 --> 01:27:29,209 stanford is a really good case when he 2064 01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:32,300 had actually at the Socorro landing meet 2065 01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,090 there was a foot that scratched a rock 2066 01:27:37,509 --> 01:27:36,800 and he had that analyzed and it 2067 01:27:40,179 --> 01:27:37,519 disappeared 2068 01:27:43,449 --> 01:27:40,189 so anyway Eric thanks a lot for the call 2069 01:27:45,339 --> 01:27:43,459 I thank your Marten great could be 2070 01:27:47,799 --> 01:27:45,349 thanks Eric thanks Eric 2071 01:27:51,310 --> 01:27:47,809 all right we have Donna Donna's on the 2072 01:27:58,810 --> 01:27:51,320 line from Cape Cod Donna welcome to the 2073 01:28:01,359 --> 01:27:58,820 show hello fascinating and I apologize I 2074 01:28:03,250 --> 01:28:01,369 haven't been listening while I was on 2075 01:28:09,209 --> 01:28:03,260 hold so if you've already addressed this 2076 01:28:13,629 --> 01:28:09,219 I apologize but in addition to you know 2077 01:28:16,649 --> 01:28:13,639 speaking to the subjects which I'm 2078 01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:16,659 wondering if there was any contact with 2079 01:28:25,839 --> 01:28:22,130 too gynecological professionals going 2080 01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:25,849 through history to sort of corroborate 2081 01:28:32,109 --> 01:28:29,209 pregnancies and you know to hate yes 2082 01:28:36,759 --> 01:28:32,119 there was a pregnancy and this person 2083 01:28:39,969 --> 01:28:36,769 has repeatedly had these tests and so 2084 01:28:42,659 --> 01:28:39,979 forth that you know back in the day some 2085 01:28:46,209 --> 01:28:42,669 of these people did actually be 2086 01:28:48,339 --> 01:28:46,219 documentation you know that they had now 2087 01:28:50,139 --> 01:28:48,349 you just have you know something you do 2088 01:28:52,090 --> 01:28:50,149 in the bathroom on your own but back in 2089 01:28:54,910 --> 01:28:52,100 the day I mean you could even that they 2090 01:28:57,580 --> 01:28:54,920 been positive tests and and that type of 2091 01:29:01,770 --> 01:28:57,590 thing so I'm just wondering if there had 2092 01:29:06,010 --> 01:29:01,780 been any contact with those 2093 01:29:09,670 --> 01:29:06,020 practitioners and I'll just but I'd also 2094 01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:09,680 like to say that I support and what 2095 01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:13,550 you're saying with this for the 2096 01:29:23,230 --> 01:29:19,250 therapeutic aspects of this whole film 2097 01:29:29,290 --> 01:29:23,240 it's I think it's very helpful are you 2098 01:29:33,490 --> 01:29:29,300 an experienced er well I it's possible I 2099 01:29:36,940 --> 01:29:33,500 am in the realm possibility i I don't 2100 01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:36,950 know but I've had experiences of some 2101 01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:41,500 sort so I keep an open mind 2102 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:46,000 great question Donna thank you that is 2103 01:29:49,900 --> 01:29:48,410 go ahead yeah it is a good question it's 2104 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:49,910 definitely one that we wanted to address 2105 01:29:53,980 --> 01:29:52,010 in the film but the unfortunate part of 2106 01:29:55,540 --> 01:29:53,990 that is that we could find nobody that 2107 01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:55,550 was willing to go on the record and talk 2108 01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:56,270 about this 2109 01:30:03,010 --> 01:29:58,880 we had one physician in California that 2110 01:30:05,170 --> 01:30:03,020 was I would say that he would in 2111 01:30:08,230 --> 01:30:05,180 conversations with me he said I have 2112 01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:08,240 experienced this I have seen it I have 2113 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:12,050 no explanation for it he said I have had 2114 01:30:16,390 --> 01:30:14,330 seen cases where women were pregnant one 2115 01:30:17,860 --> 01:30:16,400 day and when they came in they weren't 2116 01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:17,870 there were no signs of a miscarriage 2117 01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:20,330 they were you know they're it's just the 2118 01:30:25,390 --> 01:30:23,690 baby vanished the baby it was gone I'm 2119 01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:25,400 sorry too before we move on from that 2120 01:30:30,970 --> 01:30:29,210 particular topic isn't that something 2121 01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:30,980 that can actually happen naturally like 2122 01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:34,490 absorption but let's that's the one 2123 01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:37,730 thing that we we heard as well is and he 2124 01:30:41,980 --> 01:30:39,290 and I asked that specific question to 2125 01:30:44,530 --> 01:30:41,990 him and he said that is the standard you 2126 01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:44,540 know response to this is that you know 2127 01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:46,910 the bigger issue really is is that 2128 01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:49,490 there's not a lot of obstetricians that 2129 01:30:53,790 --> 01:30:51,410 are really willing to go down the path 2130 01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:53,800 of spending time and effort and 2131 01:30:58,360 --> 01:30:56,330 somebody's money to have these tests 2132 01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,370 done to kind of verify what has happened 2133 01:31:02,740 --> 01:31:00,320 we have heard numerous stories from 2134 01:31:05,770 --> 01:31:02,750 women who have said that they go and get 2135 01:31:05,950 --> 01:31:05,780 an exam and the doctors find scarring 2136 01:31:10,660 --> 01:31:05,960 and 2137 01:31:12,250 --> 01:31:10,670 you've had you know some abortions here 2138 01:31:14,979 --> 01:31:12,260 in their Lake what are you talking about 2139 01:31:17,110 --> 01:31:14,989 I've never never had anything happened 2140 01:31:19,180 --> 01:31:17,120 to me I'm coming here to visit you to 2141 01:31:21,010 --> 01:31:19,190 find out what's wrong with me so here 2142 01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:21,020 their immediate assumption is that you 2143 01:31:24,670 --> 01:31:22,730 know there were abortions that something 2144 01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:24,680 happened to them but that is a common 2145 01:31:28,540 --> 01:31:26,510 thing that women had heard is that they 2146 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:28,550 have scarring in their uterus a lot of 2147 01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:30,410 scar tissue and that there's the 2148 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:32,000 assumption from the physician is that 2149 01:31:40,570 --> 01:31:35,410 there there had been some sort of 2150 01:31:42,670 --> 01:31:40,580 surgery done or extraction done scar so 2151 01:31:46,090 --> 01:31:42,680 let's so either one of you can do this 2152 01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:46,100 but let's lay out the whole situation of 2153 01:31:54,010 --> 01:31:50,050 what these people are are purporting 2154 01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:54,020 that is happening to them as far as you 2155 01:32:01,209 --> 01:31:57,890 know inseminating and basically the 2156 01:32:06,729 --> 01:32:01,219 seeding what what what happens according 2157 01:32:10,750 --> 01:32:06,739 to them well basically what happens in 2158 01:32:16,140 --> 01:32:10,760 an abduction scenario is that someone's 2159 01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:16,150 taken and they are they're examined and 2160 01:32:24,610 --> 01:32:21,170 they they're poked and prodded and they 2161 01:32:27,250 --> 01:32:24,620 remember that they were in the case of 2162 01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:27,260 men that they were sperm samples taken 2163 01:32:31,060 --> 01:32:29,450 and in the case of women that they know 2164 01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:31,070 that they were examining they were doing 2165 01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:32,930 gynecological tests on them they were 2166 01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:36,610 examining their reproductive organs and 2167 01:32:41,229 --> 01:32:39,170 and other things they're taking skin 2168 01:32:45,190 --> 01:32:41,239 samples hair samples blood samples 2169 01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:45,200 everything so they're abducted and then 2170 01:32:50,620 --> 01:32:47,840 in in many cases and and certainly in 2171 01:32:55,150 --> 01:32:50,630 some of the cases with the women they 2172 01:32:59,080 --> 01:32:55,160 all of a sudden they're pregnant and in 2173 01:33:01,270 --> 01:32:59,090 what's fascinating is we had one case as 2174 01:33:05,020 --> 01:33:01,280 someone who's in our film that's coming 2175 01:33:07,150 --> 01:33:05,030 out is that she was a lifelong lesbian 2176 01:33:09,190 --> 01:33:07,160 she has never been with a man her entire 2177 01:33:09,850 --> 01:33:09,200 life I was gonna add something along 2178 01:33:14,500 --> 01:33:09,860 those lines 2179 01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:14,510 mhm yeah and she was she well all of a 2180 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:15,920 sudden was pregnant and she was in a 2181 01:33:19,480 --> 01:33:17,930 relationship at the time with a woman 2182 01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:19,490 it caused a problem 2183 01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:20,930 because as much as the woman wanted to 2184 01:33:24,250 --> 01:33:22,490 believe her she's like well you must 2185 01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:24,260 have slept with a guy mm-hmm so you 2186 01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:26,510 cheated on me it causes a lot of 2187 01:33:30,460 --> 01:33:28,250 problems in relationships and the same 2188 01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:30,470 can be said for a heterosexual marriage 2189 01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:33,050 it's we'll wait a minute we haven't had 2190 01:33:36,940 --> 01:33:34,730 sex and whatever and now you're pregnant 2191 01:33:39,850 --> 01:33:36,950 or it could cause problems like that so 2192 01:33:41,470 --> 01:33:39,860 anyway they become pregnant in the first 2193 01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:41,480 trimester somewhere along the way 2194 01:33:47,230 --> 01:33:43,960 towards the end of the first trimester 2195 01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:47,240 they feel like a lot of some will 2196 01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:49,910 describe another abduction experience 2197 01:33:54,910 --> 01:33:52,850 something strange happening that evening 2198 01:33:57,370 --> 01:33:54,920 where they felt very strange and woke up 2199 01:34:00,090 --> 01:33:57,380 feeling very groggy and all of a sudden 2200 01:34:03,610 --> 01:34:00,100 and they know they could the baby's gone 2201 01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:03,620 they go to the doctor the doctor was 2202 01:34:08,860 --> 01:34:06,050 with John just described they doctors 2203 01:34:10,750 --> 01:34:08,870 don't like to be at a loss for not being 2204 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:10,760 able to explain something so they go 2205 01:34:14,410 --> 01:34:12,410 back to and so all your body absorbs it 2206 01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:14,420 but you know a lot of times they're like 2207 01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,310 very perplexed like that's strange 2208 01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:18,560 so they always say that it'll say they 2209 01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:20,210 the way the women described it as the 2210 01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:21,770 doctors like well that's very strange 2211 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:23,450 but well you know what your body must 2212 01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:26,330 have absorbed it you know so and the but 2213 01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:28,880 women know their bodies women know their 2214 01:34:34,420 --> 01:34:32,210 bodies uh-huh is there as which 2215 01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:34,430 trimester is this generally happened 2216 01:34:41,350 --> 01:34:38,000 first mm-hmm so they're incubating early 2217 01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:41,360 on and then the baby's gone and but 2218 01:34:47,890 --> 01:34:43,780 here's where it gets very interesting 2219 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:47,900 years later it could be two years one 2220 01:34:53,260 --> 01:34:49,850 year two years five years they're 2221 01:34:55,060 --> 01:34:53,270 abducted again and they are taken aboard 2222 01:34:57,700 --> 01:34:55,070 a craft they remember going on a craft 2223 01:35:00,490 --> 01:34:57,710 they remember a ety whether it's a gray 2224 01:35:01,450 --> 01:35:00,500 or whatnot taking him into a room where 2225 01:35:03,460 --> 01:35:01,460 there's all these children 2226 01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:03,470 strange-looking children literally 2227 01:35:09,130 --> 01:35:07,010 hybrid looking children human but not 2228 01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:09,140 really human have really big eyes really 2229 01:35:14,950 --> 01:35:12,850 big heads strange hair and they 2230 01:35:16,750 --> 01:35:14,960 automatically these women know right 2231 01:35:18,670 --> 01:35:16,760 away that because they're the child is 2232 01:35:21,580 --> 01:35:18,680 brought over to them and they know it's 2233 01:35:24,220 --> 01:35:21,590 their child that maternal instinct kicks 2234 01:35:26,350 --> 01:35:24,230 in and it's extremely emotional for them 2235 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:26,360 and when they tell us these stories they 2236 01:35:32,770 --> 01:35:29,930 are crying it's very very difficult and 2237 01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:32,780 they're told this is your this is your 2238 01:35:37,410 --> 01:35:33,890 daughter or the 2239 01:35:40,210 --> 01:35:37,420 is your son then they are often asked to 2240 01:35:43,450 --> 01:35:40,220 nurture them to love them to hug them 2241 01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:43,460 and the the thought behind that is that 2242 01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:46,460 these ETS really can't give them that 2243 01:35:53,050 --> 01:35:50,210 kind of maternal love that they need so 2244 01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,060 these women are actually shown their 2245 01:35:57,070 --> 01:35:55,520 hybrid children and this is what 2246 01:35:59,710 --> 01:35:57,080 happened with Stan as well it's not just 2247 01:36:00,910 --> 01:35:59,720 women the men the sperm is extracted 2248 01:36:02,890 --> 01:36:00,920 they're not going through the 2249 01:36:05,050 --> 01:36:02,900 pregnancies obviously but years later 2250 01:36:06,340 --> 01:36:05,060 then all of a sudden in Stan's case he's 2251 01:36:08,590 --> 01:36:06,350 getting phone calls from these little 2252 01:36:10,840 --> 01:36:08,600 girls six seven eight year old old girls 2253 01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:10,850 eight years after he was abducted and 2254 01:36:16,450 --> 01:36:12,590 these little girls telling him that I'm 2255 01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:16,460 your daughter and they're our hybrids so 2256 01:36:22,180 --> 01:36:19,730 that's the basic I would say in a 2257 01:36:24,970 --> 01:36:22,190 nutshell scenario the things that we the 2258 01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:24,980 the process that we see here when we 2259 01:36:26,980 --> 01:36:26,480 talk to people and John if you want to 2260 01:36:28,900 --> 01:36:26,990 add to that 2261 01:36:32,050 --> 01:36:28,910 and he's yeah I'm the other thing that I 2262 01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:32,060 would mention too is that both Geraldine 2263 01:36:38,860 --> 01:36:34,250 and niara 2264 01:36:42,250 --> 01:36:38,870 and April all said that they also had 2265 01:36:44,620 --> 01:36:42,260 penetrative sex with beings so you know 2266 01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:44,630 one of the things that we can't begin to 2267 01:36:49,420 --> 01:36:45,920 wrap our head around is all the 2268 01:36:51,820 --> 01:36:49,430 different scientific and in medical 2269 01:36:55,390 --> 01:36:51,830 advances and technological advances that 2270 01:36:57,580 --> 01:36:55,400 they may be able to use to to create a 2271 01:37:00,790 --> 01:36:57,590 living being in ways that we we can't 2272 01:37:02,980 --> 01:37:00,800 comprehend we can't we comprehend you 2273 01:37:05,140 --> 01:37:02,990 know reproduction in the way that humans 2274 01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:05,150 reproduce and that there's intercourse 2275 01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,820 and that that an egg is fertilized and 2276 01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:09,920 that turns into a fetus that eventually 2277 01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:12,530 is born and that's the process but you 2278 01:37:16,900 --> 01:37:14,480 know we've heard where there's been 2279 01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:16,910 shared consciousness there is you know 2280 01:37:22,990 --> 01:37:20,000 extraction of just solely DNA sometimes 2281 01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:23,000 it is an egg that has been inseminated 2282 01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:26,810 by a husband or or the father of the 2283 01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:31,280 child and then it is foreign DNA is 2284 01:37:37,930 --> 01:37:34,370 introduced to it so it is truly a union 2285 01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:37,940 of human beings but there is a third 2286 01:37:44,230 --> 01:37:40,550 element introduced into the equation 2287 01:37:46,330 --> 01:37:44,240 that affects the the child and we know 2288 01:37:47,260 --> 01:37:46,340 of a handful of those and Mary Rodwell 2289 01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:47,270 has spent 2290 01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:48,530 an awful lot of time over the last 2291 01:37:53,260 --> 01:37:50,330 several years documenting documenting 2292 01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:53,270 the new the new human and what these 2293 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:55,970 children are these amazing children are 2294 01:38:01,210 --> 01:37:57,650 sharing in the stories that they tell in 2295 01:38:04,150 --> 01:38:01,220 a connection to outside of our existence 2296 01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:04,160 in unbelievable communication we've had 2297 01:38:08,530 --> 01:38:06,050 experiences just within the last month 2298 01:38:10,900 --> 01:38:08,540 and a half two months with a child who 2299 01:38:13,210 --> 01:38:10,910 is only three years old and he's been 2300 01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:13,220 sharing things that it is impossible for 2301 01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:14,560 a three-year-old child to know 2302 01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:18,560 specifically about us into us that has 2303 01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:20,510 been like this is impossible 2304 01:38:24,940 --> 01:38:22,850 it is impossible that a three-year-old 2305 01:38:26,380 --> 01:38:24,950 child would have the ability to share 2306 01:38:30,070 --> 01:38:26,390 information that he knows absolutely 2307 01:38:31,870 --> 01:38:30,080 nothing about impossible I guess is a 2308 01:38:33,580 --> 01:38:31,880 limiting yeah I guess this is the 2309 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:33,590 hardest part that I have of the whole 2310 01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:36,890 the whole situation like well we do have 2311 01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:37,970 a caller I'm going to get to that in 2312 01:38:43,210 --> 01:38:41,120 just a second but you know I mean the 2313 01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:43,220 first thing I think of okay so this this 2314 01:38:47,620 --> 01:38:46,010 hybrid or this these hybrid children are 2315 01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:47,630 on the craft what are they doing just 2316 01:38:53,230 --> 01:38:49,850 floating around all the time I mean what 2317 01:38:55,210 --> 01:38:53,240 is their purpose are they like on 2318 01:38:57,550 --> 01:38:55,220 another planet and come back and visit 2319 01:38:59,710 --> 01:38:57,560 mom or you know what's going on with 2320 01:39:01,330 --> 01:38:59,720 that and if you can make that kind of a 2321 01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:01,340 short call I'll pull in the caller right 2322 01:39:06,970 --> 01:39:05,060 out I'm a short a note on that oh well 2323 01:39:08,230 --> 01:39:06,980 what do you want to be it's that we 2324 01:39:10,330 --> 01:39:08,240 don't know what we don't know we don't 2325 01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:10,340 know what their existence is on craft we 2326 01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:11,930 don't know what their existence might be 2327 01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:14,560 on other planets they actually may be 2328 01:39:20,020 --> 01:39:17,330 you know science experiments and you 2329 01:39:22,780 --> 01:39:20,030 know Jack I know will probably bring up 2330 01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:22,790 Rachael's eyes and the evolution of the 2331 01:39:27,310 --> 01:39:24,650 the whole hybridization program that 2332 01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:27,320 kind of started you know back in the 60s 2333 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:30,350 and 70s and where we are now is we don't 2334 01:39:36,820 --> 01:39:33,530 have to hide the hybrid beings in public 2335 01:39:38,860 --> 01:39:36,830 they they kind of fit in so there are 2336 01:39:40,930 --> 01:39:38,870 hybrid children who are living on earth 2337 01:39:42,580 --> 01:39:40,940 there are hybrid children who are off 2338 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:42,590 planet there are hybrid children who 2339 01:39:46,450 --> 01:39:44,570 cannot function in an earthbound 2340 01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:46,460 atmosphere there are hybrid children who 2341 01:39:50,890 --> 01:39:49,730 can so again this is what we're hearing 2342 01:39:53,290 --> 01:39:50,900 these are the stories that have been 2343 01:39:56,410 --> 01:39:53,300 reported do we know if it's true no we 2344 01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:56,420 don't but we're listening interesting 2345 01:40:00,530 --> 01:39:59,360 all right well we have Ron calling from 2346 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:00,540 Minnesota 2347 01:40:07,580 --> 01:40:04,530 Ron welcome to the show I'm Martin thank 2348 01:40:11,660 --> 01:40:07,590 you for showing great bait show on great 2349 01:40:14,900 --> 01:40:11,670 great topic I had a question um why what 2350 01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:14,910 is a why why is anyone abducted or why 2351 01:40:20,210 --> 01:40:18,510 is not anyone in flight present I have 2352 01:40:23,060 --> 01:40:20,220 never seen anyone home 2353 01:40:24,980 --> 01:40:23,070 all right and I talked to a lot of 2354 01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:24,990 people have I've talked to people that 2355 01:40:32,210 --> 01:40:29,250 have had experiences with abductions but 2356 01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:32,220 I have not had had one personally that 2357 01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:37,050 Noah that I'm aware and so why are 2358 01:40:44,510 --> 01:40:39,840 certain equal chosen what is the 2359 01:40:45,710 --> 01:40:44,520 parameter of the abduction all right 2360 01:40:48,740 --> 01:40:45,720 that's a great question 2361 01:40:50,150 --> 01:40:48,750 really good question what we found is 2362 01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:50,160 and no one knows for sure 2363 01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:52,710 again we'll preface with that but a 2364 01:40:58,600 --> 01:40:56,250 couple of things that we found a lot of 2365 01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:58,610 times it runs in families it's it's 2366 01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:01,260 multi-generational so you fight we find 2367 01:41:06,620 --> 01:41:03,090 out that a parent or grandparent was 2368 01:41:09,170 --> 01:41:06,630 also abducted and which suggests that it 2369 01:41:13,210 --> 01:41:09,180 has something to do with DNA or blood 2370 01:41:16,970 --> 01:41:13,220 type another thing we've noticed is that 2371 01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:16,980 it's a lot of times it's associated with 2372 01:41:22,910 --> 01:41:19,290 military families so someone was in the 2373 01:41:24,710 --> 01:41:22,920 military there the the grandad the 2374 01:41:26,570 --> 01:41:24,720 grandfather or the grandmother we find 2375 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:26,580 out later was in the military or they 2376 01:41:30,410 --> 01:41:28,050 and they were in the military and the 2377 01:41:32,540 --> 01:41:30,420 father the mom was in the military so 2378 01:41:34,820 --> 01:41:32,550 there's this multi-generational factor 2379 01:41:35,900 --> 01:41:34,830 associated with it and yeah I could say 2380 01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:35,910 that's you know John and I talked about 2381 01:41:38,810 --> 01:41:37,170 this I don't think I've ever been 2382 01:41:40,460 --> 01:41:38,820 abducted John doesn't think he's ever 2383 01:41:42,710 --> 01:41:40,470 been abducted not that we know of but 2384 01:41:46,010 --> 01:41:42,720 we've fairly certain we haven't been 2385 01:41:48,020 --> 01:41:46,020 abducted in that way why well maybe my 2386 01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:48,030 blood types not right maybe it's that 2387 01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:49,890 there's definitely a genetic component 2388 01:41:54,860 --> 01:41:52,410 to this so maybe they are working with 2389 01:41:56,990 --> 01:41:54,870 people that they know that it's it's a 2390 01:41:58,610 --> 01:41:57,000 better genetic match for them to do what 2391 01:42:01,220 --> 01:41:58,620 they're going to do now this is 2392 01:42:02,750 --> 01:42:01,230 speculation but those are the two things 2393 01:42:05,090 --> 01:42:02,760 we have found that there's a there's a 2394 01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:05,100 multi-generational factor and there's 2395 01:42:10,220 --> 01:42:08,250 also a military factor yeah you 2396 01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:10,230 mentioned I would say one of the go 2397 01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:11,250 ahead you know one other thing I would 2398 01:42:14,419 --> 01:42:12,690 say just before you jump into that I 2399 01:42:18,770 --> 01:42:14,429 know the Rh negative is permanent 2400 01:42:21,890 --> 01:42:18,780 tip of your tongue yes the the the other 2401 01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:21,900 thing I would say too is that abductions 2402 01:42:28,189 --> 01:42:24,690 happen everywhere it's not just the back 2403 01:42:30,530 --> 01:42:28,199 roads of Malaysia you know there's 2404 01:42:32,570 --> 01:42:30,540 there's been this dynamic that has been 2405 01:42:34,399 --> 01:42:32,580 shared for decades in the United States 2406 01:42:36,290 --> 01:42:34,409 in particular that this is something 2407 01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:36,300 that happens in the in the back waters 2408 01:42:41,570 --> 01:42:39,000 of the USA well people are being 2409 01:42:43,450 --> 01:42:41,580 abducted from remote areas but they're 2410 01:42:46,010 --> 01:42:43,460 also being abducted from you know 2411 01:42:50,689 --> 01:42:46,020 skyscrapers in major cities so this 2412 01:42:55,100 --> 01:42:50,699 there there is a lot of storytelling 2413 01:42:57,709 --> 01:42:55,110 that doesn't necessarily point to that 2414 01:43:00,290 --> 01:42:57,719 you know you're a chosen one because of 2415 01:43:03,020 --> 01:43:00,300 location it usually has to do with a 2416 01:43:04,610 --> 01:43:03,030 connection to something important 2417 01:43:07,550 --> 01:43:04,620 whether that be a military connection 2418 01:43:09,260 --> 01:43:07,560 and potentially a result of family 2419 01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:09,270 members being involved in a program that 2420 01:43:14,750 --> 01:43:11,760 started back in the 40s 50 60 s and 2421 01:43:17,390 --> 01:43:14,760 their children had been basically tapped 2422 01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:17,400 to be followed you know the Dan Sherman 2423 01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:19,170 case is one of those were you know he 2424 01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:20,610 didn't realize that he would had been 2425 01:43:25,580 --> 01:43:23,100 chosen at a very young age and followed 2426 01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:25,590 and monitored by a handler and then when 2427 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:27,060 at the time was to tap him on the 2428 01:43:31,100 --> 01:43:28,530 shoulder and connect them to his story 2429 01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:31,110 then it happens so he's he would be one 2430 01:43:36,620 --> 01:43:34,290 example of a military story but you know 2431 01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:36,630 the Rachel's I story again another story 2432 01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,640 connected to the military but there's a 2433 01:43:42,350 --> 01:43:40,320 lot of those military stories stand 2434 01:43:46,419 --> 01:43:42,360 Romanek is connected to the military one 2435 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:46,429 of the women that is in the film who is 2436 01:43:51,140 --> 01:43:48,810 silhouetted she wanted to protect her 2437 01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:51,150 identity but was comfortable sharing her 2438 01:43:55,070 --> 01:43:52,800 story and felt it was important to share 2439 01:43:57,500 --> 01:43:55,080 her story she found out much much later 2440 01:44:02,270 --> 01:43:57,510 after she had these experiences back in 2441 01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:02,280 the mid 90s for several years that that 2442 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:04,710 her she had relatives that were involved 2443 01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:08,010 in crash retrieval Wow okay no idea I 2444 01:44:14,570 --> 01:44:10,080 have to tell you Ron thanks for the call 2445 01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:14,580 we are out of time so guys sorry Ron can 2446 01:44:18,649 --> 01:44:16,800 you believe the show went so fast thank 2447 01:44:21,709 --> 01:44:18,659 you so much it's been a real pleasure 2448 01:44:23,780 --> 01:44:21,719 I've really enjoyed it and good luck 2449 01:44:26,180 --> 01:44:23,790 with your film it's out on September 3rd 2450 01:44:27,790 --> 01:44:26,190 you anywhere you can stream a film you 2451 01:44:30,460 --> 01:44:27,800 should be able to find it right 2452 01:44:33,070 --> 01:44:30,470 yeah go to extraordinary the seating 2453 01:44:36,820 --> 01:44:33,080 calm you can see the trailer and there 2454 01:44:39,490 --> 01:44:36,830 are links in there for you to pre-order 2455 01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:39,500 the film and once the the film goes live 2456 01:44:45,070 --> 01:44:42,170 at 3 a.m. on September 3rd a week from 2457 01:44:46,630 --> 01:44:45,080 two weeks from today you will be able to 2458 01:44:48,940 --> 01:44:46,640 click on that link and it will take you 2459 01:44:50,620 --> 01:44:48,950 to your preferred platform excellent and 2460 01:44:53,110 --> 01:44:50,630 it's a film worth watching I watch it 2461 01:44:55,630 --> 01:44:53,120 myself thanks so much thank you 2462 01:44:57,730 --> 01:44:55,640 all right good night good night alright 2463 01:45:00,760 --> 01:44:57,740 everyone so that's it for the show thank 2464 01:45:04,900 --> 01:45:00,770 you so much for listening next week we 2465 01:45:07,690 --> 01:45:04,910 have a NASA scientist Marion Ruud Nick 2466 01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:07,700 who is going to speak out about UFOs 2467 01:45:12,490 --> 01:45:09,890 that's in his own words so that should 2468 01:45:14,430 --> 01:45:12,500 be a great show and I want to thank 2469 01:45:17,020 --> 01:45:14,440 everyone that helps out with the show 2470 01:45:19,330 --> 01:45:17,030 Alejandro Rojas our two guests and 2471 01:45:22,360 --> 01:45:19,340 everyone else behind the scenes and 2472 01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:22,370 remember everyone to keep your eyes to 2473 01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:26,930 the sky and it hits me oh my gosh this 2474 01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:28,490 is that triangle you know there's 2475 01:45:31,900 --> 01:45:29,930 explanation for everything that occurred 2476 01:45:34,570 --> 01:45:31,910 in the Rendlesham forest incident didn't